will be a done deal to the Cats and has been since mid-last year
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dangerfield and cameron, amongst others
compared to
shiel stringer
Iâm pretty sure itâs not the act of the side deal thatâs the issue, itâs the quality, or lack their of, of the players itâs applied too.
The swans have drafted more top 5 players than we have in the last fifteen years, and finished bottom four back to back 5 years ago.
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yeah no need to slam people, just call them bitter, and then mock them for wanting to go down carltons approach, of which they made a prelim last year (something we havenât done) and barring injuries could have gone a fair way this year.
maybe practice what you preach if all you want on here is a civil discussion.
I didnât say he was a good defender, I said define a defensive liability.
and no redman is a dogshit defender and is on par with mas. again one got 6 year deal at 800 k
one got shunned as a terrible defender.
again 3 of the worst 5 defenders in the comp played for this club, so maybe, just maybe either Mas isnât as bad as you say, or everyone in our side is just as bad as him, to which i revert back to why is he singled out by some, when most of the side are defensive liabilities ?
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A number have tried to have the discussion, only to be met with the response I mention above. So yes, thought the same language might get through.
Weâve been terribly easy to score against in transition for many years. Fans (and the broader footy world) have commented on it relentlessly. I think itâs that simple.
Edit - which is not to suggest that we arenât lacking in elite kicks from the defensive 50. We are.
Liked the look of Braden Campbell for the swans. Was really impactful as a sub. Think he would be a much better target than a cumming or perryman longterm
We still have people dinning out on something Sheedy said in 2006âŚâŚ âEssendon is too big to rebuild. Thatâs just not what this club doesâ.
We have a membership base who are addicted to their creature comforts, underneath the roof of the Docklands stadium. With their seat which theyâve held for over 20 years.
And more interested in the social aspect, of getting together with friends and family each weekend for a good day out.
Winning has become secondary. The last thing our membership base wants, is to prioritise short term painâŚ. For long term success.
Itâs much nicer to sack the coachâŚ. And then get back to our way: 40-50% winning record, just to give us something to enjoy while we have a good old chin wag with our mates.
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Yeah, I guess my point is, have we implemented this slow gameplan to cover our poorly skilled players and if so, are we doing the right thing? Itâs great to improve your defence by playing a keepings off gameplan, but itâs also very easily negated by opposition teams playing man on man.
If the issue is the players, then we need to act now and bring in skillful players and remove those who canât execute a disposal. If itâs not the players, then we need to change the gameplan, as it clearly doesnât work.
The core players weâve signed to long term deals have no heart.
McGrath, Parish, McKay, Redman, Ridley (maybe harsh) and Draper (will be the next bloke to get 6 years who doesnt deserve it)
Why will they all of a sudden become never give up players in 2025 and beyond?
Add Shiel and Stringer as conditional players, and you have a big senior contingent who only play well when our opponents donât.
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Agree 100%. Geelong never bottomed out. Thatâs why Richmond fascinates me. Richmond didnât need to go down this path. It shows how well run Geelong is. They get more decisions right over time than any club. Not needing to bottom out to win flags.
Richmond might succeed doing things the bottom out way. However, itâs consigning itself to 3-4 very difficult years at least which potentially was unecessary.
Essendon, a club which has failed to get decisions right over time, could succeed doing a bottom up rebuild or via trades, FA abd using its first round picks in draft. Either way, it only succeeds if, and only if, it gets most decisions right across its entire organisation over several years. Something it hadnât done for a long time.
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That last part is pretty rich tbf
On Carlton Iâm not convinced they arenât a flash in the pan - they got pretty lucky in finals last year and if I remember correctly both games they won the opposition kicked themselves in the foot massively (especially the Dees game, that was an absolute shocker). They beat the bottom 3 coming in to finals this year from the last like 9? or whatever games. Literally one of the worst formlines ever coming in to finals youâd have to guess.
Then they went down 0-60 in an Elim and it looked like Lions went full preservation
Absolutely a chance their aging âstarsâ kick the bucket and they go down another âretoolâ - god knows their cap needs some relief
I donât think they intended to last year (Hardwick, Taranto, Hopper etc), but itâs been forced on them.
Itâs likely the best option for them now, given what has occurred.
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Richmond havenât forced Rioli, Bolton and Baker out, theyâve requested trades.
Keeping blokes who donât want to be there is dumb, see Joe.
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I donât even know how you begin to quantify any of that? I donât think the club believes that at all.
I think the club was trying a rebuild when Rutten took over as coach.
At the moment I think Scottâs reluctance to play kids is more his philosophy vs any club or set of fans not being willing.
We havenât gone âfull rebuildâ like Hawthorn and Richmond because:
- No players have demanded a trade
- When players like Parish were negotiating deals we didnât have a youngster showing promise like the Hawks
- we donât really have players that other clubs would throw picks at
Probably could do all that this trade period though. Will be interesting to see what they do.
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Forced on them. I get what youâre saying but it wasnât forced on them. It got to a stage, through a series of decisions and moments where it ended up being forced on them. Thatâs my point. With better (or different) decisions earlier in the planning, they couldâve taken a different course by making different decisions on players based on philosophy etc.
I actually wonder IF Richmond want to go down t he full rebuild path, or is it more being thrust upon them via coach leaving and star players retiring or asking for trades
It sure looks like jumping from a sinking ship but who can really know? Same as Melbourne, time will tell
They donât leave Geelong - except Kelley. Yet theyâve all bailed out of Richmond⌠Did Richmond send signals to these players by way of signifying the last 18 months it was going down this road? Maybe. Iâm more inclined to believe a few of these defectors are taking opportunities to go home now as a result of the club signifying it was going to start all over. Again, we donât know. I suspect the philosophy to go down this road has influenced the playing futures of several of uts star players.