Trade talk - from October 2024 (Part 7)

[jamesm]

4-5 years we just draft in 3 to 4 years instead surely

[Alan_Noonan_10]

If it’s a good draft year.

[Mickey_D]

And how has that worked for us???
Between 2015 and 2020 Dodo took quite a few best available even though we had glaring holes in the list, eg. 2017 Andy Mcgrath.
At the time of this pick we had a plethora of small backs (Mckenna, Gleeson, Heppel, Dea, Redman and Baguely) and needed outside mids with decent disposal.
So what does he do? He passes on the best 1.85m inside/outside mid with decent disposal and picks a small HB flanker with athleticism, who he thinks can play midfield.
This when our midfield was already small and 1 dimentional.

[Dunnybrush]

@efc1robbo

@Finding_Nino

Melbourne just signed Picket for 9 years also North sigend a bunch of players to long term deals so not just Essendon.

Clubs signing players to long term deals has become the norm now.

Just because other clubs are doing it, doesn’t make it correct

Maybe not, but it makes it necessary. Players are usually after long term security, you’ll start losing required players to other clubs if you don’t offer long deals. You need to pick your battles obviously, not arguing that a few at EFC may have gotten longer deals than they should.

[Ants]

@Tagger

The Dodoro special.

You want some talls? Ok let’s draft a bunch of them at once. You want some midfielders? Let’s spend all our picks on midfielders and not think how they will fit in together

Is that like drafting 3 of 4 MSD picks as talls?

[Houli_Dooli]

@Mickey_D

So what does he do? He passes on the best 1.85m inside/outside mid with decent disposal and picks a small HB flanker with athleticism, who he thinks can play midfield.
This when our midfield was already small and 1 dimentiona

The other key thing a recruiter should have seen was the skill level of McLuggage’s kicking exceeded McGraths bang it forward approach.

[Tagger]

After 10 talls got injured?

[jonovdp]

I do find it amusing how Dodoro would draft a bunch of half back flankers, who have never played midfield……… and after the draft says. “He’s a half back flanker, who we believe could play through the midfield.”

The coach trials him through the midfield and stinks it up, and people are complaining about poor development.

The fact of the matter is, that Humphreys and Philippou were just as serviceable as half forward flanks, as they were in the midfield.

Elite Duel role players are like gold in the modern game. You need players who can be moved into different roles mid game. Many supporters are well behind the times, just like our former list manager.

[doesntafraid]

3 MSDs are not the same as pick 8, 10, 39 and 53 in the National Draft.

[Clone_Hirdy]

The chances of the MSD picks making it is probably higher than a national draft pick making it, because they are likely to be picked on state league form rather than junior form.

[primmer1978]

Ridiculous

[Clone_Hirdy]

What % of mid-season players have made it compared to national draft players?

[Lazer]

Depends on what you mean by “made it”?

[Clone_Hirdy]

played regular AFL footy after being selected

[primmer1978]

I love a argument but this is too silly to waste time on.

[Clone_Hirdy]

Why is it silly? Clubs often leave spots available in the draft, because they want to see more of a player before recruiting them. The mid-season draft allows players to prove themselves at state league level before being given a chance. There are heaps on very good MSD picks playing AFL now. Cooper Sharman, Jai Newcome, Alex Mirkov, James Peatling, Sam Durham, Jed McEntee & Ash Johnson were all selected in the 2020 MSD. Let’s not mention Massimo either.

Selections also depend on whether teams are selecting for the now to replace injured players, or for the future.

[Lazer]

2024 - 1 out of 18 (Ned Long)
2023 -1 out of 14 (Ryan Maric)
2022 - 1 out of 17 (Massimo)
2021 - 4 out of 22 (Newcombe, Sharman, Peatling and Durham)

Overall you are looking at 7 out of 81 which is about a 1 in 11 hit

[Clone_Hirdy]

There are more than 7 players getting AFL games. As I said, there are players picked to fill gaps, then there are players seen as longer term propositions. Not all are going to make it. My point is that if you are selecting an 18 or 19 year old at the MSD, you are selecting them on what they have achieved against men in the state league, rather than boys in the juniors. If they have impressed against men, they will probably have a better chance of making it than some kid picked at pick 50 in the national draft.

Blakiston for example is a break glass type player, so his purpose is to fill a void in the short term. He may impress and stay on, but the likelihood is he wont. May on the other hand is seen as a longer term prospect and may have been selected high in next years national draft if he proved himself. eg Stewart at Geelong.

[Ants]

@Mickey_D

And how has that worked for us???
Between 2015 and 2020 Dodo took quite a few best available even though we had glaring holes in the list, eg. 2017 Andy Mcgrath.
At the time of this pick we had a plethora of small backs (Mckenna, Gleeson, Heppel, Dea, Redman and Baguely) and needed outside mids with decent disposal.
So what does he do? He passes on the best 1.85m inside/outside mid with decent disposal and picks a small HB flanker with athleticism, who he thinks can play midfield.
This when our midfield was already small and 1 dimentional.

This is just rubbish on so many levels.

A) it was 2016
B) at the time Heppell was an AA mid.
C) we (Blitz) considered a key need clearance midfielders (to replace Watson) and speed was seen as a big plus. McGrath was rated for both.

There was plenty of argument on Blitz as to who to take, and it wasn’t because a bunch of Blitzers wanted a back pocket.

[Ants]

@Tagger

After 10 talls got injured?

The point is taking multiple of the same type in one draft isn’t necessarily a problem.

@doesntafraid

3 MSDs are not the same as pick 8, 10, 39 and 53 in the National Draft.

So? We needed talls.