Brunswick→Melb Central / State Library → Arden if you wanted to do it. Or walk 10 mins Macauley to Arden.
So not particularly easily. I think a mistake in their design personally (and they have similar issues at the other end with no South Yarra connection) my understanding was that both were deliberate decisions due to traffic flows etc. I guess if you’re on the Upfield line at MacAuley you’re basically at Melb Central anyway (6 minutes North Melb/Flagstaff/Melb Central) so the number who actually wanted to get off at Arden vs further down the line meant it wasn’t worth compromising the design. It would be <22 mins Brunswick to Arden via Melb Central once the tunnel is fully operational at 5 minute frequency would be my guess.
Either that or the 19 tram from Brunswick to Parkville and ride the train one stop. At least if you’re at the Brunswick station end of Brunswick you avoid the carnage that is the tram down Sydney Rd, and just get the bit where it has its own track. (I am at the other end of Brunswick so know this from experience)
It’s ridiculous that South Yarra wasn’t connected to the Metro line - it would have saved a lot of hassle for lots of people. Same applies for North Melbourne/Arden
Living in Sydney close to a metro station is amazing - the driverless trains really feel out of place in Australia.
That’s certainly my feeling, but I think that was a deliberate design choice where they were limited in their ability to design in those direct connections and still keep the line separate to everything else (with all of the benefits with signalling, longer trains etc). Tbh I think we’re all scarred by the crp train service we’ve had for years, and the long waits when changing trains. Within that metro tunnel zone you can basically change to another line with 5 mins anywhere given the intent to run metro tunnels at very short intervals. It’s one step to the rest of the world, where metro systems on many segregated lines all run every couple of minutes and changes aren’t a problem.
I think that if a link from South Yarra to Anzac was feasible, they would have done it. They didn’t seem to spare any expense on links from Flinders St to City Square, or State Library to Melb Central.
Linking in South Yarra was feasible from an engineering perspective but the cost was scene to be prohibitive. Given the longevity of the project it seemed very short sighted given the tunnel runs right under South Yarra station.
It seems like the cost vs the benefits didn’t make sense ie with the increased capacity throughout the system the potential benefit to the few people who would need to make that direct transfer should already be mostly delivered. Dandenong line to Richmond and the loop = change at Caulfield rather than SY (although I believe they need to fix Caulfield a bit to make this more convenient). Sandy line to Tunnel change at Town Hall. Both are not massive issues
Yep E Pakenham line now no longer goes to Richmond, Flinders or Southern Cross. It’s going to be fun having everyone cram onto the Frankston platform at Richmond after games.
I have never heard of a Bomber Supporter who does not drink. I figured with your BBlitz name you were a crazy AC Milan Italian and I can testify that they all drink.
I just think it’s silly and narrow minded (and on my behalf too).
I takes me 20 minutes from Brunswick to North melbourne by car, even if it were to take 25-30 by train I think most people would take the train. So where’s the incentive to get more people into trains?
I used to catch a train to Etihad from Brunswick, just a change at North Melbourne then to Southern Cross. About 2 years ago they changed it so that train would through the loop first then to Southern Cross, so now I just drive in.
That’s interesting, I have had to get to Southern Cross often for work over the last little while. The change at North Melbourne is pretty efficient, but I tend to just go to Flagstaff and cross the platform and get on a train within a couple of minutes as the eastern suburbs lines operate pretty regularly. Going home I’d just do the opposite when the train wasn’t running direct to NM. So 1 minute SX to Flagstaff, and wait there for Upfield. Never seemed very difficult to me when compared to sitting in traffic, which is crazy in that area.
It depends on the time of day I think. That yellow loop runs clockwise morning, anti clockwise in the afternoon. Then the Eastern suburbs loop is the opposite. For the footy it can get stuffed up on the weekend I think as the Flagstaff to SX doesn’t work maybe due to the way the loops run on the weekend
I all but gave up alcohol when l got married. My wife is muslim and she gave up smoking for me, so l gave up alcohol for her. I might have a glass of wine at Christmas time, but that is about all. I don’t miss it.
No station at SY is an opportunity missed. The system is not improved if a new line does not maximise its connectivity to other existing lines, connectivity (or lack thereof) being one of the current system’s major deficiencies.
I can’t imagine a new line in any major European city deliberately bypassing a major hub station for any of the stated reasons.
It’s a fair point. Interestingly in Barcelone earlier this year with Ms Frosty Jr, the train enthusiast, we were trying to get to the main TGV station from our accommodation (which was pretty central with access to multiple stations and multiple lines), and there were like 5 different ways to get there but none of them were the direct line running direct. Basically the line that appeared to be most direct didn’t stop at the nearby station that it was apparently running through, and we had to go back one station on the line and connect to the line that then ran back under the station we’d been at (or catch another train at right angles from the direct line, and change again).
But it didn’t matter, both methods were very easy changes, even if they weren’t direct changes, and got us to where we wanted to go. Not every station needs to be an interchange, there just needs to be interchanges that can work. From the tunnel entry it is literally 3 stations to South Yarra if you haven’t changed at Caulfield, and one simple change if you have changed at Caulfield.
(Or its a very short light rail from Anzac to SY, but they need to separate cars and light rail better to make it more efficient)
I think building out a serious metro system with a whole bunch of other lines and interchanges would make this all work, rather than what we have currently, but it will take time. And with the way the media in this city is so negative about infrastructure investment (including negative articles about the tunnel opening) it’s very hard to get these long term projects done.
Not sure this is a selling point. Particularly since the waiting time for a tram can be unpredictable.
You can underline, bold and capitalise this. It’s one of the primary reasons we continue to get less than ideal outcomes. You only have to look at the commentary around the SRL, which BEGINS to address some of these issues, to know that.
Believe it or not in Lincoln there is a level crossing that goes through the high street (the main shopping street in town)
There are not too many town or city centers in England that have these city centre crossings so that is very unique to Lincoln. There are a lot of kids and young lads filming the trains go past with their poundland cameras and iphones
And there is a bloke who is up there 3 times a week posting clips of trains going through the crossing on youtube and making good money from it. He is faberoony and I watch his videos quite a lot and I sometimes see him filming on Saturdays when I’m up for the football.
