Oh…I just thought of a question that I would like to ask you?
Simple Yes or No answer
Do you think that a sovereign nation has the right to defend it’s borders/land/people from an invading force?
Yes or No???
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Might already pay JD to keep an eye out for any strange knocks on the door or a tap on the shoulder etc. given Donny’s track record with his “best candidate hires”.
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Ukraine isn’t in charge of NATO, so it doesn’t shut down my question.
If you were in charge, and you made the call, it’s a yes or no decision. That’s ultimately what it comes down to, all variables considered.
How hard is it to explain your position and why?
Bobo explained his view. I don’t need to agree with it, but anyone should be able to explain their thought process behind their view.
If a weakened Ukraine gets forced to the negotiating table because it was abandoned by the West, then Russia will likely walk away with enough that they might call it a win. If they do that, then it is incentivised, and you’ll get more wars, not less.
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lmao
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I’ve asked three times for you to explain something about to me but you’ve ignored them all.
I’ve also noted that you ignore all of the facts that @Drapersmullet posted regarding Trump’s involvement in war.
Putin had no right to invade Ukraine.
Here’s your yes/no question….Would it be ok for Russia to invade Australia and claim areas of land as theirs?
Yes they do.
You’ll need to quote me where I have stated otherwise.
My comments have been about America’s involvement in Ukraine defense.
I don’t like that Australia is donating to Ukraine.
We shouldn’t be involved.
Are you being deliberately obtuse here?
I have already stated that Ukraine has not asked for foreign troops.
That ends your question.
However, just to humour you, if NATO subsequently sent forces into Ukraine, they would be no better than the Russians as it would be an invasion.
Ukraine doesn’t need to be in charge of NATO…they just need to be in charge of their own country.
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When has it ever been wrong to support an invaded nation?
Edit: worries in Vietnamese
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US still has military in Iraq and Syria, directly engaged in combat.
And it has a heavy presence in a number of other countries. Close to 30k troops in South Korea.
AFAIK Trump hasn’t spoken against the US Iron clad guarantee to Israel, US armaments , plus deployment of naval and air assistance to Israel.
IDK why Ukraine should be the odd one out.
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this forum is 99% far left.
I’m responding to as many as I can.
If Russia invaded Australia -
Yes Australia should be able to defend itself.
Yes Nato should respond with offensive troops on the ground
Ill let you think about the difference before you eagerly say how contradictory it is.
Here we go.
Far left.
Which is what the far right call centrist.
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So then you agree that Ukraine has the right to defend itself.
A large part of that defence is able to occur due to the assistance provide via the US, NATO and other sovereign nations including Australia.
Whether you like it or not is completely and utterly irrelevant.
Just the same as me supporting the idea of the support that’s been given.
Self-determination.
The right to pursue happiness.
Human rights.
Supporting those less fortunate.
lol. Anti-fascist.
Far left ideals.
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Well, to a certain demographic, they are.
The situation is escalating, not de-escalating.
Are you seriously suggesting Zelensky doesn’t want NATO troops on the ground?
He probably would have been instructed to not ask for it publicly as one of the conditions for his $$
Asking for troops will turn public opinion immediately, and support for the war would evaporate - putting the whole money laundering operation at risk.
The war is okay as long as it’s far away and nobody is impacted.
No need….we don’t agree on just about everything from what a rude, arrogant, self serving, narcissistic, lying, rambling inciter of violence Donald Trump is, to supporting a country whose invasion was ordered by man not dissimilar to Trump himself. So I’ll leave the conversation now. It’s pointless.
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I know one man who would’ve spat on JD Vance. Or possibly engaged in a long and curious conversation with him. He loved his furniture.
Ukraine can defend itself.
As an Australian taxpayer I want my tax dollars spent in Australia, not in Ukraine.
Same goes for the American taxpayer.
Which is why I would vote accordingly.
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