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Fact check: Are Haitian immigrants in Springfield in the US illegally?
JD Vance says immigrants with temporary protections in Springfield, Ohio, are âillegalâ. Experts say he is wrong.
Hereâs my only thought on your response. My city, San Francisco, spends $846 million a year on its homeless population. Trust me, the vast majority of that is wasted given the epidemic of addiction to substances and rampant mental health issues that is nowhere near funded. Taking money away from asylum seekers will not make an iota of a difference.
Iâm constantly amazed when migrants and asylum seekers are considered the first thing that should be cut from funding to support citizens. How about we reduce our military budget? How about we reduce the incredible amount of waste in the federal government?
My source is the CBP. Look at the resources provided thus far. Look at their website about the questions and documentation you must provide for entry into the US.
This whole thing started with Vance saying the Haitian refugees in Springfield were only legal because of the app.
Vance said âSo thereâs an application called the CBP One app where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand. That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for ten years.â
He never says the Haitian refugees in Springfield are only legal because of the app.
I would expect that the vast majority of asylum seekers who are granted entry are later found to be valid once all the checks are made.
Are they though? What are the checks they make and what percentage are found to be valid? At the very least I think itâs clear that some amount of applicants via the CBP one app are not actual asylum seekers they are economic migrants trying to cut the queue. How many of them get further then that is less clear.
Vance said âSo thereâs an application called the CBP One app where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand. That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for ten years.â
Full context of the comments which Iâm sure you missed because you âdonât know a whole lot about this topicâ
Vance: "In Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, youâve got schools that are overwhelmed, youâve got hospitals that are overwhelmed, you have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes,â Vance said.
Walz spoke again before moderator and CBS Newsâs Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan stepped in.
âAnd just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status: temporary protected status,â Brennan said
Vance: âMargaret, the rules were that you guys werenât going to fact-check, and since youâre fact-checking me, I think itâs important to say whatâs actually going onâŚâ
Post it, I havenât seen anything saying asylum seekers at there appointment via the CBP app are required to have a passport and other identity documents to be let into the USA.
How does this context change what I have said? I watched the VP debate, I am aware of the context.
Dude. That answer from Vance in both factually wrong, designed to make the app look like a way to con the system and is clearly intended to make the Haitian refugees out as illegals, which they are not.
And if you want to find out about the success rate of asylum seekers and the checks they go through, how about you google it yourself instead of spending countless hours asking us to do it for you? Then by all means come back on here and tell us what you found.
Iâm not doing any more of your research for you. Iâm not your unpaid intern.
It doesnât change it, it provides more context
When there is so much concern about the type of documentation at the border, but a failure to distinguish between Migration and Immigration, between migrants arriving illegally ( but are not illegal immigrants) and those seeking to enter through prescribed documents, ignoring technological advances which donât need paper to work; between asylum seekers ( who have entered with and without visas) and refugees.
When it is seen as irrelevant that so many are allowed to be employed, but who must pay taxes without the benefits of access to State funded assistance to those on standard visas âŚ
Why bother responding if the poster wilfully leaves out the important bits of how stuff works.
Benny you and others in this thread seem to know about this and many other related topics which is why I came here to ask about it. Looking things up online can be difficult and time consuming which is why I would prefer to talk to other people who are interested in the topic and likely already know the answers to my questions instead of endlessly researching it myself and trying to pick apart whatâs truth and whatâs lies. If you donât have answers to my questions thatâs fine, Iâm not asking you to do research on the the topic like some have asked me to do, you are not my intern and I am not yours, you can just say you donât know or not reply at all. If someone says something that suggests they do know what theyâre saying is correct I am going to ask for the source of that information so that I can see it for myself. If they donât have one then I donât know why they are so sure theyâre correct.
Here are some sources assuming you are coming into this with an open mind, listening to both sides (not just JD), and keen to adapt your POV
This article by Al Jazeera lays it out:
JD Vance says immigrants with temporary protections in Springfield, Ohio, are âillegalâ. Experts say he is wrong.
And here are two other relevant ones
Springfield, Ohio, has been the target of misinformation about its Haitian immigrant population. Conservative commentators are now falsely claiming the mayor traveled to Haiti and he and other city officials received "kick-backs" for "importing"...
Est. reading time: 6 minutes
Springfieldâs immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors
Securing America's Borders
You arenât acting in good faith. You have a certain narrative you want to pursue, that no identity checks are undertaken for entry by those seeking asylum into the US.
You will note the above goes into detail what is undertaken for an appointment.
It is not illegal to claim asylum. Some people are escaping war zones and have the shirt on their back. Government has an ability to verify identity through numerous means.
I have worked with CBP. After 9/11 the US enhanced screening of those seeking entry into the country.
Think about it critically- if a migrate makes an appointment using the app, attends the appointment, and cannot provide sufficient documentation to satisfy a CBP officer of their bone fides - an agency who has been vocal about issues with the southern border - do you really think they are going to allow entry without satisfying to the extent possible who the person is?
The annual lottery for eligibility to apply for Green Card status excludes nationals and residents of a number of countries. Itâs ostensibly quota based according to US law, but on the whole reflects US foreign policy ,the goodies and the baddies. Somehow only China mainland born are excluded, but not Chinese from Taiwan.
The occasional exclusion of Canada doesnât mean a lot, as Canadian nationals have privileges under bilateral US/Canada bilateral deals and other pathways to reside and work legally south of their border.
If you are from a country south of the US border subject to annual Green Card exclusions, there is an incentive to game the system as an asylum seeker, or, for the more desperate, to arrive by illegal means.