We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
we might of been, there just might not of been anything really good being offered for it
You mean apart from the deal that WAS DONE for pick #2, that should have been perfectly acceptable for us?
We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
we might of been, there just might not of been anything really good being offered for it
You mean apart from the deal that WAS DONE for pick #2, that should have been perfectly acceptable for us?
I reckon with the trade period so much of what happens is to do with relationships.
Relationships between key personnel at clubs and relationships between the clubs and the AFL.
You can be rest assured the AFL was loitering around trying to get the best deals via their new company men (Fagan and Noble) and used GC to do it. Brisbane start their regeneration with a good hand.
The relationship between Bolton and Clarkson may have played a part in facilitating those rush of trades towards the end involving JOM, Marchbank etc.
The relationship between Prestia and Caddy played a massive role in convincing Caddy he wanted to move when the Cats were happy to keep him etc etc etc.
We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
we might of been, there just might not of been anything really good being offered for it
You mean apart from the deal that WAS DONE for pick #2, that should have been perfectly acceptable for us?
I reckon with the trade period so much of what happens is to do with relationships.
Relationships between key personnel at clubs and relationships between the clubs and the AFL.
You can be rest assured the AFL was loitering around trying to get the best deals via their new company men (Fagan and Noble) and used GC to do it. Brisbane start their regeneration with a good hand.
The relationship between Bolton and Clarkson may have played a part in facilitating those rush of trades towards the end involving JOM, Marchbank etc.
The relationship between Prestia and Caddy played a massive role in convincing Caddy he wanted to move when the Cats were happy to keep him etc etc etc.
Seems strange that GC end up with 4 picks inside the top 10 (with a bid for Bowes likely to occur before their first pick), and that we didn’t make a play for two of them.
I think it’s clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he’ll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I’m not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He’s a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
I think it's clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he'll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I'm not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He's a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
McKenzie’s contracted and Matera has given no indication he intends to leave.
How do we know that any of these trades were available to US? For all we know, anybody suggesting trades may have wanted pick 1 and pick 20 for 5 4th round picks.
Just because you flogs were dreaming up all these point swaps doesn’t mean they were available to us.
We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
we might of been, there just might not of been anything really good being offered for it
You mean apart from the deal that WAS DONE for pick #2, that should have been perfectly acceptable for us?
I reckon with the trade period so much of what happens is to do with relationships.
Relationships between key personnel at clubs and relationships between the clubs and the AFL.
You can be rest assured the AFL was loitering around trying to get the best deals via their new company men (Fagan and Noble) and used GC to do it. Brisbane start their regeneration with a good hand.
The relationship between Bolton and Clarkson may have played a part in facilitating those rush of trades towards the end involving JOM, Marchbank etc.
The relationship between Prestia and Caddy played a massive role in convincing Caddy he wanted to move when the Cats were happy to keep him etc etc etc.
I think it's clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he'll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I'm not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He's a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
Why is it clear we want Mcgrath over McCluggage? Because GWS let everyone know that’s who they wanted?
I think it's clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he'll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I'm not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He's a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
Why is it clear we want Mcgrath over McCluggage? Because GWS let everyone know that’s who they wanted?
I think it's clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he'll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I'm not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He's a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
Why is it clear we want Mcgrath over McCluggage? Because GWS let everyone know that’s who they wanted?
I think you’ll find anyone theorising over what trades might have been possible is a flog who knows nothing, but when talking about the draft everyone knows who we’ll take with pick 1 and that said player will definitely be a gun.
I think it's clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he'll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I'm not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He's a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
Why is it clear we want Mcgrath over McCluggage? Because GWS let everyone know that’s who they wanted?
We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
How is it useless when we have the choice of who we think the best player available, I have no problem with the recruiting team doing what they are paid to do, as opposed to becoming gamblers thinking that we can pick the super player after the top x players have already been removed from the draft
Considering based on list spots we are only meant to be taking 3 ND picks and 1PSD, with an even top end of draft improving our position should have been a priority and a no brainer for us.
We should have at the very least been able to get 4&10. 1&41 is basically equal on points.
But more preferably 1&29 is much the same as 4&8.
I can’t see how GC wouldn’t have wanted to get ahead of a Bowes bid and pick both the best in draft as well as him early. They now have 4, 6, 8 & 10.
As good as McGrath is. Multiple players in top 10 helps our club moreso, could have been SPS & Taranto.
Current first 3 picks taking to draft - 1, 20, 29
First 3 picks after trade - 4, 8, 20
And probably have had a Matera/McKenzie as part of the overall trade thrown in as well.
Was Dodoro just asking for too much so GC didn’t bother with it? Or did he not even ask at all?
I think it's clear that we want McGrath and by not doing any big deals, we have secured him. Personally im pretty stoked that he'll be on our list next season. Looks like an absolute jet. While I'm not bullish on Stewart, we chose him out of the following options: Black (shit), Kersten (shit), Mccarthy (overpriced), Vardy (no thanks). He's a bit of an unknown so lets hope he turns out to be at least serviceable.
Only one im disappointed we missed out on is Steele, who the Saints got for relatively cheap. We need midfield depth and he could have added to that. Bit of a speculative roughie also, so could be good value there.
Are Trent McKenzie or Matera able to be picked up in the PSD? I think we should definitely consider both.
Why is it clear we want Mcgrath over McCluggage? Because GWS let everyone know that’s who they wanted?
BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!
Yes. That’s what having an opinion generally means, thanks for playing!
We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
we might of been, there just might not of been anything really good being offered for it
You mean apart from the deal that WAS DONE for pick #2, that should have been perfectly acceptable for us?
I reckon with the trade period so much of what happens is to do with relationships.
Relationships between key personnel at clubs and relationships between the clubs and the AFL.
You can be rest assured the AFL was loitering around trying to get the best deals via their new company men (Fagan and Noble) and used GC to do it. Brisbane start their regeneration with a good hand.
The relationship between Bolton and Clarkson may have played a part in facilitating those rush of trades towards the end involving JOM, Marchbank etc.
The relationship between Prestia and Caddy played a massive role in convincing Caddy he wanted to move when the Cats were happy to keep him etc etc etc.
Umm, how is not having the relationships not a failure on our part? And personally I don’t buy into this whole AFL running everything idea.
Seems strange that GC end up with 4 picks inside the top 10 (with a bid for Bowes likely to occur before their first pick), and that we didn't make a play for two of them.
Not really. I posted many pages ago on what the outcomes would be of the Suns with/without trading if Bowes was picked on at #1, #2 or #3. Invariably they either broke even or had a better position if they didn't do the trade. And that was trading #4 and a later pick. Trading #4 and #8 would have been a bad move for them.
How do we know that any of these trades were available to US? For all we know, anybody suggesting trades may have wanted pick 1 and pick 20 for 5 4th round picks.
Just because you flogs were dreaming up all these point swaps doesn’t mean they were available to us.
In this case, it was the fact that GWS pretty much did the trade with Brisbane for #2.
I was pretty adamant all along I’d trade #1 for a top 4 pick and another first rounder (with steak knives). Well Brisbane traded #2 for #3 and #16 (with steak knives going to GWS). So we know the trade was almost certainly possible, since its hard to see #1 not trumping #2. So in THIS CASE, it isn’t just speculation (or only a very little bit).
We’re taking picks #1, #20 and #29 into the draft, and maybe #41.
If we’d done the Brisbane deal we could have been taking #3, #16, #20, #29 instead. If we don’t plan to take four picks and use #41, then that #29 could have been Melbourne’s 2017 second rounder instead.
So could have gone with #3, #16, #20, Stewart and start 2017 with an extra 2nd round pick to help with trades.
Sorry, but this was a missed opportunity.
Absolutely. I don’t have a specific idea on what deal should’ve been done, but there is no reason we shouldn’t have been shouting from the rooftops that pick 1 was n the market. What’s to lose? If a deal didn’t suit us then we still have Pick 1 regardless. The odds are now massively stacked against Dodoro in picking the best player in the draft.
Useless waste of an advantageous position. Kinda like how we play football
How is it useless when we have the choice of who we think the best player available, I have no problem with the recruiting team doing what they are paid to do, as opposed to becoming gamblers thinking that we can pick the super player after the top x players have already been removed from the draft
Every club does that every pick. What we now have is all the pressure in the world to make the first selection 100% correct – in a draft where there is no pick 1 consensus – instead of leveraging our position to create a situation where we spread the risk and try to take two bites at the top 10.