Pick 5 & 42 for Carlisle & pick 23… Seem fair?
Peoples expectations on here are very high and I’d be happy with this.
If not then what…; next years first round pick plus pick 42 for Carlisle…?
How's Hrovat's worth less than Freeman?? 1 has played and been decent, 1 hasn't.Freeman was a top ten draft pick. Collingwood want a first round pick so there is your starting point. Hrovat was picked in the 20s somewhere if not 30s. Doubt he'd be worth more than his draft pick given he's barely played seniors.
What do you think their worth is?
How's Hrovat's worth less than Freeman?? 1 has played and been decent, 1 hasn't.
As well as Freeman been injured, and Freeman been a b*tch.
How’s Hrovat’s worth less than Freeman??
1 has played and been decent, 1 hasn’t.
I'd take next years 1st rounder plus next years 2nd rounder for jake and this years third. Whilst they are improving I reckon their ladder position might stagnate and could get worse, with any luck I reckon we'll be 8th to 12th next year and no way will gcs be as bad. I don't know what the predictions are about next years draft but I think deferring at least one of our late picks till next year plus improving our position would work wellI wouldn't gamble on that. The Saints look to add Freeman, Carlisle, Hrovat and whoever they get at pick 5 would see them rise up the ladder this year. Just remember, McCartin barely played and Billings didn't get a good run at it either.I’d take this year’s pick and be content that we know what we’re getting.
How do they hope to swing all 3 of those guys without losing their first pick?
Carlisle for a first round next year.
Freeman isn’t worth a first (even though Collingwood want a first), more likely a second.
Hrovat is worth a third.
All three can be a mixture of picks from this year and next year.
Tend to agree with Ealsey (can't seem to quote), but then I remember Roughhead and other Hawks fawning all over Carlisle with fake kindness when we last played them. Was so obvious they were attempting to butter him up: "come play with us, we're such a friendly mob".If that is all you have to go on, it is less than impressive.
They offered him big bikkies last year.
Screw Hawthorn, they don’t own me.
Tend to agree with Ealsey (can't seem to quote), but then I remember Roughhead and other Hawks fawning all over Carlisle with fake kindness when we last played them. Was so obvious they were attempting to butter him up: "come play with us, we're such a friendly mob".If that is all you have to go on, it is less than impressive.
They offered him big bikkies last year.
When did we find out that "he hates Goddard and the club generally"?
I read it on Blitz, so it must be true.
Channel 7 just said Carlton interest cooling looking likely will nominate saints before the end of the week, Also said we'd be happy with next year first rounder.Fools gold, a future first is less valuable than a 2nd now, time of development has a cost, a 2 this year and next years one… Well…but that would eat into their whole rebuild through the draft plan
WTf? Surely the worth of the pick will depend on the quality of the player. What about when you put years into development of a dud? There is no logic in your comments. That said, Deadly, if you’d consider going to work for a few opposition clubs, I’d LOVE EFC to do business with you!
Ha, doubt I get hired for anything number driven, I’m not good with math, and very bad at writing posts tbh, however many smarter college types have done this sort of analysis, in nfl especially and there is definitely a present value to future value conversion.
How much more valuable on average is the first rounder you get over the second you could have is the question (made harder unless you know how the ladder will be next year too, ie just how shit will the team your trading with be), to do this you would need to analyse how much value players taken in those proposed draft spots produce at the afl level over say a 5 year period. Then how much is it worth delaying that shot at improving your team as you lose a year of opportunity in waiting, that’s the gap that is either over come or not.
To your point on who the bloke ends up being either way, clearly specific guys being a total bust or a full on star will blow up any valuation, most will just be good or average producers though, so it’s possible to try and put a value on it to guide a decision on when a second now might well be worth more than a future first I think (and if the calc said it was, I would rather a first and two early 2s now to start a rebuild, guessing in the minority on this though).
The team in question is the saints v carltons second rounder as an example I think, to me the saints pick next year could easily be say 10, so could 20? Now be worth it over waiting for that pick.
All this theory is mute when Jake just picks a destination team and we get screwed though anyway right
But Parish and Francis at pick 4 and 5
Markworth has been delisted.
He’ll be a monty for the no. 31 guernsey then. Welcome to the club Daniel.
Markworth has been delisted.
Well there goes that idea.
Ok so Billlings and Saints pick 1 next year - fair enough....!
Not Billings, but what about Markworth. Good size, hasn’t played for them yet either due to his injured ACL, severe hamstring strain and dislocated shoulder since being recruited in 2011. Good size and weight and I seem to recall reasonably highly touted on this very forum. Was a late second round pick at 35 but many seemed to think he was a potential late first rounder, early second. So, Markworth and next years first rounder, who would consider that.
Ok so Billlings and Saints pick 1 next year - fair enough…!
Yes u canThanks Thought I heard them babbling on about it yesterday and they said you cant. Very intetesting if you can
I would much prefer 4, 9 & 23 than 4 & 5. It's a good draft pick for a FOUR pick downgrade. We'll likely only get one of Parish/Francis anyway. Pick 9 probably gives us a options out of Curnow, McKay, Weiderman or Collins. Top mid, good tall, 2 2nd round picks. Can fix a lot of areas in the side.But 9 for Carlisle is low. I’d ask for the Adelaide steak knives (Lyons?) or Saints 3rd rounder (2015 or 2016, 2016 preferred).
I’d be ok with that #9 and a Lyons or Ellis-Yolman steak knives.
I honestly think he doesn’t know what he wants to do. I have no information but from what a lot of other people say that’s what it seems to me.
I will personally drive Carlisle to a from Seaford if that means we get pick 5 in this years team. I don't want to have any social chats to the fark strictly business.
Lol maybe we can have a blitz roster for the length of his potential contract.
One week each, I call dibs on preason 1, week 1.
According to 5AA, STK have offered #5 to the Crows for #9 and #28. #9 goes to us for Carlisle.Assuming that either #28 or STK 2nd pick goes for Freeman, it opens an interesting question. Surely we could throw in pick 23 instead of involving Crows. So two options:
Pick 4 and 5 (plus melksham pick)
Or
Pick 4, 9 and 23.( plus melksham pick)
It seems counterintuitive, but in an even and shallow draft it may not be the best thing to run with the two pick version. If you think you can get the player you want at #9, and you think an even crop will present several candidates in the early 20’s, then a club starved of draft picks might prefer the 3 pick pathway.
Considering one of Parish or Francis is guaranteed if we want them at #4. Look for a tall (supposedly there are good talls for the 1st round) or 2nd mid at our 2nd pick and then see what falls through to 23 and 25. If the talent dries up at 30, four prior to 25 is a good haul.
Sal you may be onto something there.
With tue turn over of players looking upwards of 7 or 8 we may actually need the picks to fill out the list.
Fk it send him to brisbane for pick 2