Ben Rutten - Back to the grindstone (Part 2)

Yep. Exactly.

As has Truck

I’m a one eyed Bomber working in Brisbane for the week.(live in Melbourne)

I read this gossip this morning and thought, gee, it’s gonna be a big day in Melbourne.

So what media outlet followed this up
Who interviewed X?
Who interviewed Clarko?

Oh, ok so we’ll just pick the easy target in his weekly presser without our leaders fronting the press?

ā– ā– ā– ā–  me
Clarko or Truck, I really give up but one feels for Truck at the moment

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The question for the review is why did it take so long to get back to that kind of position? What happened in the off season?

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honestly that is just fcking astounding :rofl:

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Again the discussion was about a coach delivering a message and you not liking how it was delivered….that is all (and you having a crack at someone’s username on here)

It had nothing to do with players celebrating and then some other tangent I really don’t care to read or discuss.

So continue with your aggressive name calling stuff and I’ll continue on being me

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Meh. It’s an Internet forum, standard for some folks I guess

Missing Crawford

Have you been to my Office ?

My take is that the monkey on the back disappears when we become a serious flag threat as it did with Richmond. North Melbourne played in a prelim 7 years ago without ever being a flag threat (in my view anyway), do you think their fans give a fk about winning through to a prelim 7 years ago today? Personally it doesn’t matter to me. Even if we’d got over the dogs last year in the elimination final, I don’t think it changes anything last year or in fact this year.

This is an issue.

Someone posted somewhere on blitz the difference between our front half and back half of the seasons, it was astounding over the last 5-6 years ( I think it was this period).

We seem to start poorly and then come good in the back half. Consistently.

WHY?

Is it fitness?

To me the coaches have to start learning our patterns and addressing them. If we start the seasons like we finish them, and continue to improve the way we have been over time through the season, we will be a very good team. Let’s not continue this pattern,

There is little value in coming good in the back half of the year, giving us long suffering fans hope over the off season, only to drive a splintered stake through our still beating fan hearts, for the first half of the following season.

A review MUST look at our poor defense, constant injuries particular to young taller players, pattern of starting the season poorly and poor forward structure and the list.

I could be wrong.

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The coach’s job includes the two things:

  • teach us a good system
  • identify and fix flaws in the system and/or execution.

And so, here’s a question that needs to be answered by the football review:

If our metrics were ā€œgoodā€ last year, and we are ā€œgoodā€ again this last month, what happened that we served up hot garbage in the first 8 weeks of this year?

Answer that question, and we can learn, tweak and press ahead with our current coaching setup. If the answer remains a mystery, then we need to find somebody else who is able to decipher the enigma of Essington.

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It’s an interesting one.

The thing is we have seen improvement throughout the year. We’re actually an average defensive team at the moment. The exact same thing happened last year too.

The main question for the review is why do we keep starting horribly each year? Is that coaching, culture, fitness…?

Having a disastrous start to the season has been a recurring trend for this club, and started before Rutten was coach

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Partly just swings & roundabouts for an average team.
Given that before this there were 5 or more years where we started the season well before fading, and used to do the same thing in games.
Got very bored with watching us be in the contest part way through the Third quarter only to be overrun.

Of course the efforts to find a quick fix for that didn’t pan out well.

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that analysis is actually rubbish, if their opinion was worth anything they’d say why. i still maintain 4 5ths of ā– ā– ā– ā–  all has changed and thea team is warming to trucks game plan and not a blanket man on man switch has fixed everything

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If Rutten can’t get them up considering all Brisbanes outs this week he will sign his own death warrant.

Overall, how many points of difference or whatever they call it is looked at? They’ve mentioned 2 there.

I’m sure every club at one time or another are 1st or 2nd at something but how are we travelling at everything else?

17th at liking our CEO? 18th at getting 1/2 time lollies right? 19th at statistical accuracy?

This significantly weakened Lions side is still a stronger outfit than the near full strength West Coast side we lost to only 14 days ago.

Things will go awry if we head up there expecting an easier game. We’re not that good.

I doubt that

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Back Rutten and his assistants to finish the rebuild. He’s got a good relationship with the players, who next season will be hitting the sweet spot of 50+ games and therefore should be a lot more consistent.

Sacking coaches puts sides back 2-3 years. Clarko hasn’t won a final in 7 years and his hawks side (and therefore flags) benefited enormously from the compromised GWS / GCS drafts. Don’t forget Hawthorn had no second thoughts about moving him on, ala Malthouse, who was seen as one of the best coaches at the time, and ended up at Carltank and well we know what happened there.

Edit: if we have zero improvement next season, that’s a different conversation. I’d say we don’t renew his contract in that case, and perhaps opens the door for Hirdy’s second stint.

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