Why do you hate Clarkson ?
Why did you dodge his question though?
How can you be sure Clarkson actually has the drive to coach a team to a flag again, as opposed to just dialling it in for a paycheck?
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Blight also.
Rodney Eade at GC too. Guess not a premiership coach though.
Only if Clako gets another coaching gig.
If he doesnât, then, by definition, heâs at the end of his coaching career.
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I donât hate Clarkson, but itâs been 7 years since last flag or since Hawks were a finals threat. No guarantee that he wonât end up like Malthouse, Pagan, Blight.
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Clarkson still has plenty of coaching years ahead of him and I strongly disagree that he is in it for the next pay check, anyone who thinks otherwise would be in the very small minority.
Heâs not John Worsfold.
How do you know though?
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I donât think he is in it for his next pay check (although Iâm sure he wouldnât do it for free).
I worry that he is going to be primarily motivated by his Hawthorn exit and as a result may make decisions that are emotionally driven in the hope of quick success to the longer term detriment of the football club, in order to stroke his own ego.
I also worry that a large degree of his previous success is fools gold, largely driven by the environment in which he existed rather than created, however he is directly attributed the entirety of his success but forgiven of his failings when the environment he existed in changed.
But I dont know that.
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Okay, so the most successful coach of the modern era is-
- Now cooked at 54yr of age, e.g Malthouse 2013.
- Was gifted/fluked 4 Premierships.
- Is only sourcing his next coaching gig for the money.
- Is motivated by bitterness and ego.
Did I miss anything kids ?
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Jeepers. Youâre getting a bit defensive there Mrs. CLAkO.
Itâs a forum. People have different opinions. People are just putting out there the possibility of it going one way. Youâre pointing out the other. Nobody can be certain which way it would go until they have the clarity of hindsight.
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Not defensive at all, I thought people were taking the Pi55 with some of those commentsâŚbloody hilarious.
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Have you ever had to make a significant decision, but in the process of making that decision asked someone who you respected to present a undesirable possible outcome to challenge your own assumptions?
Nothing is certain, however alternative outcomes should be considered.
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Malthouse wasnt cooked as coach when he went to Carlton. He had just guided a team to a flag and a GF in consecutive years. The thing that sunk Malthouse was he unwilling to change his game plan to suit the Carlton players under him.
He couldnât and wouldnât adapt, Clarkson has shown he can change and adapt his style to the players he has at his disposal
Rutten seems to only change his style for a short period, and as soon as a new season starts he goes back to the old system that doesnât work
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I think his unwillingness to change his game plan is evidence that he was cooked. Collingwood made the grannies off a game plan that was quickly becoming irrelevant. If he had any foresight he wouldnt have tried to do the exact same thing will Carlton, but he did, and didnt have the energy or enthusiasm to try anything else. He was cooked IMO.
So by thatâŚ
There is a 50% chance it works for us.
Weâve already spent one chance on Worsfold. So by the laws of probabilities, the next one should win for us.
And if that one doesnât, then the next two should.
Release the Clako I say.
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He wasnât cooked, it was his stubbornness and ego that killed him.
His stubborness and ego cooked him
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anywayâŚ
fark robert walls
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Donât know how you got 50% from those numbers
If you update the numbers to include Flog Walls, itâs 5 repeat coaches from 14 or just over 35%.
Or 25 Clubs trying it for 6 successes, less than 25%.
Nothing like 50%.
If you really want to choose coaches by numbers, then a much better metric is time in charge.
Something like 65 people have coached for 3 seasons or more.
Of those 65, 35 of them have won Premierships.
Thatâs your better than 50% success rate.
Trigger warning
So if you want to play the odds, then extending Ruttenâs contract until the end of 2024 gives us a far better shot, mathematically, than hiring Clako.
- note the 65 in 3 seasons is a bit rough - feel free to put names & numbers in a spreadsheet, and account for the changing length of AFL seasons.
For the sake of this somewhat absurd point, I drew the line at 68 games coached including finals.
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