Absolutely there will be people he knows who are horrified at what he has done.
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I agree, there will be some horrified. And Carlene Bryant has got nothing to do with this.
Iām referring to terrorists who have people who believe in his cause.
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Again, the second he didnāt drop the knife & he started assaulting police was the second they, In my opinion, had every right to use lethal force. I get that some people think police safety should be secondary to offenders rights but again, many, including the police I know, donāt think thatās right.
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Because they are not him.
Theyāre separate people.
Perfectly normal people can have ā ā ā ā ā ā up relatives.
Through absolutely no fault of their own.
Whatever the blokeās done, it is a ā ā ā ā ā situation for everyone else - his family, friends, cops, ambos, etc etc.
They all have to live with the trauma. And often end up with psych ā ā ā ā that they have to deal with, for all their lives. Psychosis. Higher rates of drug and alcohol issues. Anti psychotics that have a whole heap of other side effects. Depression, anxiety. And on and on and on.
The āheās dead, so thatās all over, everyone lives happily ever afterā is Hollywood bullshit, not the real world.
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They handled it well and he was actually shot in the space of about a minute or two at max after first attacking the police in their car. They hardly waited that long.
You also have to remember, they didnāt know it was terror related, they probably thought it was mental health related and in those situations they try not to shoot people if they can until left with no choice, which, again, they did.
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I was two blocks away from this when it happened, watching the smoke column from out the office window. Had no idea what had actually happened til i got home though.
What struck me is how well this was all handled.
Gun laws prevented the guy arming himself heavily. He was unable to buy the material for making fertiliser bombs, cos theyāve been barred for years. Due to the safety bollards he couldnāt get his car into a position to run over people. He had to resort to a rubbish improvised quasi-explosive and a knife. He seems to have been effectively foiled by courageous members of the public until police promptly responded and used progressively escalated force until he was subdued. Thereās no question that police overreacted or got triggerhappy. Thereās no question that the response was proportionate, measured, and appropriate.
In short, whether this was an ideologically driven terrorist attack or a spree killing by a deranged murderous loon, it seems to have been an absolute textbook example of handling something like this. None of which will of course be of any consolation to the family of the person who was killed, of course. But in a city of five million people, when one random person decides to do his best to kill as many people as he can and this is the result, I think thatās a pretty clear indication that the measures you have in place are working.
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Well said HM.
Themās the breaks. They raised a dud.
Iām sure weāll find out there were obvious warning signs and nobody did anything about it, as is always the case. If he is muslim there are probably some family members that were radicalising him, itās always the case in these situations.
I care about the victims and their families.
Itās not a ābullshit Hollywood endingā, itās pretty standard thinking.
Itās really not
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And to Tim Fischer for his efforts in encouraging rural support.
So when a terrorist attack happens, one of your first thoughts is about the suspectās family?
First thoughts? No.
Thoughts? Yes
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If somebody said iām glad that murderer is dead, would you defend it by saying, āthink of their family?ā.
Itās not a defence of anything. Itās compassion.
I work with a guy whose young son killed somebody in a fit of alcoholic rage. Heās now obviously in jail.
The dad didnāt do anything wrong, but his life is pretty farked because of it.
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Btw, Iām just disagreeing with you that your thoughts are āstandard thinking.ā
I donāt believe that to be the case, but granted I may be wrong.
Look I understand that you donāt get it. He had enough time to strike, with a knife at police at least 7 times in the videos so even is we assumed that was the entirety of the contact they had with him thatās 7 chances for the police to be wounded, potentially fatally. I think thats far too many chances & places police in far too much danger. I understand they are now trained this way & again I am not in any way blaming these officers for their training & certainly not for how they performed it but I donāt agree with their training & the officers I know are the reason why I believe that way. When a 25 year veteran tells me he believes protocols place his life in danger & I can see evidence of it very clearly here, that carries far more weight than anything you can possibly dream up. I donāt care if it wasnāt terror related or even if they knew they guy was mentally unstable, I will always believe their safety is far more important than the people attacking them.
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There is lots of things I could say, all would lead to an argument. I donāt know anything about the guy you work with and how he raised his son.
If he got drunk and decided to kill somebody, clearly he has issues. Maybe it had something to do with the way your work mate raised him. Who knows.
But I personally feel compassion for the person he killed and their family.
Itās implied
I would hazard a guess itās a lot more standard on the internet than IRL.
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So do I.
Itās beside the point, though.
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