Hence asking the questions about why they don’t want the vaccine. Narrow that down.
If they are young and don’t feel there’s a threat, then info about long Covid might be important.
But even if someone downplays the threat of the virus, that’s probably a red herring. They at some level fear the vaccine. If your fear of the vaccine is greater than your fear of the virus, then you’ll choose the virus.
Get them to read through the subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
It’s threads and threads and threads of aggressively anti vax Americans who have posted about their positions on Facebook who have then caught covid and died leaving behind devastated children and families.
Reading it is part schadenfrued but after a few you just get sad that so many lives where wasted from pure hubris. If they instead got the vaccine how many thousands of Americans would still have their mother or father. The people dieing are often middle aged, not nursing home residents.
I would say lead by example, actions speak louder than words.
I agree but for the benefit of my parents, it’s also a bit hard.
They are cooked. Not sure anything I say or do will change their minds.
The Greek community seems to be extremely susceptible to anti-vax ideas. The whole country is rabidly anti-lockdown. Downplaying the virus.
Everyone I know with greek relatives is having similar troubles.
I dated a Greek born girl during the first lockdown and we had extremely different views on this.
Sometimes it’s the only way to be sure.
After the St Basil’s debacle last year, that truly boggles my mind.
Yep. It’s pretty bad I must say. The only friends I have who aren’t yet vaccinated are the ones with Greek background. Same with the relatives.
The people in Greece in general are a lost cause. I legit just think they like protesting about anything and everything. Just go to work you bums.
Greece is a huge outlier.
It’s largely being fed by relatives back home.
Agree. There are a lot of hesitant people whose concerns are alleviated when you tell them how you’ve been vaccinated, or even better the old ‘I wouldn’t have let my kids get it if it wasn’t safe’.
If they are legitimately anti vax, don’t bother, there is no hope. I’ve fact checked some of my relatives’ bs anti vax posts and it feels pretty pointless. They won’t change their minds until someone they love is in hospital.
This line of thought carries the presumption that anti vaxxers have established their position based on emotional responses to the situation, rather than forming a fallacious argument based on either no evidence, or a lack of investigating real evidence.
Anti vaxxers are, by definition, irrational. Someone who has concerns about vaccines is not an anti vaxxer. Someone who actively preaches against vaccination principles, is.
The latter group is the one that forces their concerning behaviour onto society. You cannot fight an illogical position with rational conversation.
Everything is driven by fear.
Everyone wants to do the best thing possible to keep safe.
Now clearly the anti-vax bullshit is complete rubbish, but that is what they view as real. They are reading that stuff because they think it will save their life.
It’s easy to walk away. If you want to convince someone that’s gone down the rabbit hole, then directly easing those fears is the only thing that will work.
That is absolutely not true. Plenty of anti vaxxers take an anti-authoritarian stance, or perhaps an anti-science stance. For example, people with religious objections not only have a fallacious stance, but one that is driven by ideology, not fear.
Is 324 a lot? Guys?
She already put a caveat on that not long after she posted it saying unless government rules prohibit it, in which case she would abide by government guidelines. So she really only said she wouldn’t implement the rule herself.
Interesting reversal that it is the liberal side of Greece who opposite restrictions.
Anyone know if that is guided by a political party?
One friend of mine on facebook has gone full-on conspiracy theory in the past few years, even going into qanon and antivax territory at times.
I gave up arguing with her about it when she posted something about how everyone should look at all the evidence and make up their own minds, and how she was happy to debate - but that anything from the ABC, Fairfax, the Guardian, or the Murdoch press, or any position supported by the ALP, Libs, or Greens, or anything that implied a product produced by Big Pharma might be effective, or any organisation or publication that had ever had contact with the WHO or the Gates Foundation was clearly corrupt and untrustworthy and so she’d ignore it. She’d preemptively curated the evidence so that basically any source of expertise that challenged her pre-existing worldview could be dismissed without examination.
She’s a single mum with two kids and lives in an area of Melb with very high caseload. I’m very worried, but what the fk can you do?
Yes.
It’s a lot more than 0, it’s a lot less than it’s gonna get to.
My mum has been a teacher for 3 decades and has lived by the mantra ‘you can’t teach people who don’t want to be taught’.
It’s sad. It’s upsetting. It’s a reality of the internet and instant-access unchecked information.