Delistings and List Regeneration

I'd be more inclined to throw Kavanagh in the delisted category considering that he was offered up during last trade period with no interest being reported.

Sydney, but they were banned from trading so it fell through.

I'd be more inclined to throw Kavanagh in the delisted category considering that he was offered up during last trade period with no interest being reported.

Sydney, but they were banned from trading so it fell through.

Stand corrected.

Best I think we could do in a situation like that is upgrading a pick.

Kavanagh & 4th Rounder (around 63) for Swans 2nd (around 40) all compensation considered. Even then I’d think we’d be doing quiet well.

Would give us four picks inside 45-odd. Could do a lot worse than that.

Sadly I think we will see four retire:

Fletcher
Winderlich
Chapman
Gwilt

A few of these five may be delisted:

Browne
Pears
O’Brien
Hams
Dalgliesh

Plus a few traded:

Carlisle
Bellchambers
Dempsey
Kavanagh

I’d like to keep Dalgliesh, think he offers some dash of the HB flank. Hopefully gets another chance before seasons end. I like Hams too, but think his size may be too much of a hindrance, especially on what we’ve seen so far. As for Pears, pretty sad ending for what started out incredibly promising. But it’s probably time to part ways.

I think those four retirees are definites.

As for the ones to be traded, I don’t really understand the compensation stuff for a free-agent and the RFA & URFA aspect of it. In proper open-market Carlisle’s value would be a first round pick easy. Bellchambers maybe a late second - early third based on potential and maybe suitors (I think Lions are an excellent option for him) But if he’s off to Sydney somewhere GWS is also a good team to move to in terms of assets. If he goes to Swans, then we’re probably done - considering they have their first round pick also locked up. Dempsey would attract a third round pick I’d imagine.

That’s all permitting WADA goes away.

Anyone know what’s up with Lueunberger??

Has looked ■■■■-house for two years now? Looked like he become a top 2 ruckman in his earlier years but has completed stalled. Is it because of his injuries or bad form??

Luenberger has looked much better in the last two weeks, though he spends most of his time forward.

Would be a decent get as a FA - In a perfect world he’d ruck 70% and McKernan 30%.

Don’t agree. Steinberg should be gone.
Been around long enough and we need to start moving on average players who will never take this club in an upwards direction.
I’m over being stuck with average list cloggers as below:
Pears
O’Brien
Steinberg
Browne
Hams
Kommer
Kavanagh

then add Dads army,of Gwilt, Chapman, Fletcher, Winderlich and Cooney who also aren’t going to be taken us anyway in an upwards direction.

Keep Steinberg & Hams.
Perhaps Gwilt another year.

team balance is key above all else.

we lack fast and smart players on all lines, esp the midfield.
of the 15 odd names on page one 10 plus should probably be moved on in one form or another (delist or trade or whatever) but it’d take a very strong leader to do that, not a go at hird cos i doubt any coach would actually do it.

but it again should all come down to team balance, and who you could potentially get. If fantasy land if you could get a motlop then you could prolly afford to get rid of a howlett type (i know he’s not on the list in the op). If you could get a midfielder you could do away with a stanton type.

I agree with mr sunbury to an extent, the core group of younger players is decent enough to build around, but it has to start now, so that hopefully when that core is hitting their ultimate prime the younger guys coming through are experienced enough to pull their own weight plus hopefully be better than whats on offer now.

would be stupid to wait 2-3 years, have said core group in their prime and youngsters still learning and pretty much babies in their afl careers being expected to do what’s required.

for once in recent years, the club has to get ahead of the curve. take a chance and back themselves that they can get in some decent quality via FA and the draft ( not 28 yr old plus players on the decline).
otherwise the same cycle will continue

Don't agree. Steinberg should be gone. Been around long enough and we need to start moving on average players who will never take this club in an upwards direction. I'm over being stuck with average list cloggers as below: Pears O'Brien Steinberg Browne Hams Kommer Kavanagh

then add Dads army,of Gwilt, Chapman, Fletcher, Winderlich and Cooney who also aren’t going to be taken us anyway in an upwards direction.

Just wondering on what grounds you’d argue Kommer and Hams are list cloggers over, say, Ashby and Dalgleish?

There is far more upside to Ashby and Dalgleish.

Hams is constantly injured, and welll Kommer has been as well for an extended period well over 12 months.

These are the types of players we continue to hold onto each year, and it’s not helping us build a team for the future one bit.

There is far more upside to Ashby and Dalgleish.

Hams is constantly injured, and welll Kommer has been as well for an extended period well over 12 months.

These are the types of players we continue to hold onto each year, and it’s not helping us build a team for the future one bit.

I don’t really agree, but fair enough.

What you get from steinberg is solid and reliable. He’s got weaknesses. Slightly too small for the role, a tad slow. But if you had the choice of him on $200k holding down third tall versus Carlisle on $700k, that $500k would be much better spent in the midfield. Every team needs players like stein, get the role done reliably and allow spending on stars elsewhere.

Surely Stein would have to not only play seniors this year, but play well to stay on the list?

You don’t keep somebody based on 5 seasons of VFL

The issues of retiring and trading are this year more clear than many previous years. We have several players that are almost certainly retiring and as such we cover our draft picks pretty easily. We also have a few players that are ripe for the trade, their experienced, youthful to have plenty of value and all have very high ceilings. If I was advising Dodoro and Hirdy this is what I would be presenting.

I think Fog has it down pretty good with the retiring of Fletch, Winder, Chappy. Gwilt is only 29 this year so aside from us moving him on he may want to hang around which would put him in the delisted category.

That gives us 3 list spots.

The delistings again appear to be pretty easy for the most part. I think Gwilt should make way for Steinberg, so I would move him on. Pears body is shot so I would send him off. Hams is only ever going to be a good VFL players, he is too small. O’brien should be shopped but will end up delisted and I think on a rookie list elsewhere.

That’s another 4 making 7 slots available.

Next we should be looking at trades. TBell to be encouraged to sign a big FA deal elsewhere, so to Dempsey. Carlisle has some serious currency and should be sold to the highest bidder. I’m going with Melbourne and Carlton. Kav may want out and if he does we should ablige.

That’s another 4 out making 11 slots available.

For the outs in trading im going to assume the following:

TBell going for pretty decent coin and we get and end of first round compensation.

Dempsey goes for a medium amount and we get a end of second round compensation.

Carlisle goes for big and we get Carlton current first and second round picks in exchange for our fourth.

Kav we trade out for a second rounder to Sydney.

So now we have (approximately)

Pick 3, Pick 6, Pick 19, Pick 22, Pick 25, Pick 37.

We upgrade Steinberg and Smack. Leaving 9 spots.

Again, I like Fogs trading from the other thread so I’m going to go with that.

We FA looneyburger

We use Pick 6 on Prestia

We use Pick 19 on Motlop (let’s hope they change the FA date as part of the CBA mid term review and we get him via FA)

After trading were down to 6 spots.

We go to the draft with 3, 22, 25, 37 and were down to two spots.

We pre season draft 1 and further upgrade Aylett for a year shot on the list to prove himself (expected delisting next year though)

We then take 3 in the rookie draft.

I also think we have a end of year leadership review and sit Watson down and say it’s time you stopped carrying this team on your shoulders. He has done enough and it’s time he takes a backward step. Stanton takes over the rains.

Our side we look something like this:

FB: Baguely, Hooker, Steinberg
HB: Hibbered, Hurley, Heppell
C: Goddard, Watson, Stanton ©
HF: Jerret, Daniher, Cooney
FF: Motlop, Smack, Colyer

Rucks: Looneyburger, Hocking, Zaka

Bench: Zerrett, Prestia, Melksham, Myers

Emerg from: Gleeson, Ashby, Edwards, Browne, Giles, Ambrose, Langford, Laverde, Dalgleish, Kommer, Howlett, Fantasia, Aylett, Pick 3, Pick 22, Pick 25, Pick 37, PSD Pick.

Rookies: Long, McKenna, 3 Rookie picks.

Allot is subjective, most will hammer my assumptions, but that’s what I’d be saying to do.

The issues of retiring and trading are this year more clear than many previous years. We have several players that are almost certainly retiring and as such we cover our draft picks pretty easily. We also have a few players that are ripe for the trade, their experienced, youthful to have plenty of value and all have very high ceilings. If I was advising Dodoro and Hirdy this is what I would be presenting.

I think Fog has it down pretty good with the retiring of Fletch, Winder, Chappy. Gwilt is only 29 this year so aside from us moving him on he may want to hang around which would put him in the delisted category.

That gives us 3 list spots.

The delistings again appear to be pretty easy for the most part. I think Gwilt should make way for Steinberg, so I would move him on. Pears body is shot so I would send him off. Hams is only ever going to be a good VFL players, he is too small. O’brien should be shopped but will end up delisted and I think on a rookie list elsewhere.

That’s another 4 making 7 slots available.

Next we should be looking at trades. TBell to be encouraged to sign a big FA deal elsewhere, so to Dempsey. Carlisle has some serious currency and should be sold to the highest bidder. I’m going with Melbourne and Carlton. Kav may want out and if he does we should ablige.

That’s another 4 out making 11 slots available.

For the outs in trading im going to assume the following:

TBell going for pretty decent coin and we get and end of first round compensation.

Dempsey goes for a medium amount and we get a end of second round compensation.

Carlisle goes for big and we get Carlton current first and second round picks in exchange for our fourth.

Kav we trade out for a second rounder to Sydney.

So now we have (approximately)

Pick 3, Pick 6, Pick 19, Pick 22, Pick 25, Pick 37.

We upgrade Steinberg and Smack. Leaving 9 spots.

Again, I like Fogs trading from the other thread so I’m going to go with that.

We FA looneyburger

We use Pick 6 on Prestia

We use Pick 19 on Motlop (let’s hope they change the FA date as part of the CBA mid term review and we get him via FA)

After trading were down to 6 spots.

We go to the draft with 3, 22, 25, 37 and were down to two spots.

We pre season draft 1 and further upgrade Aylett for a year shot on the list to prove himself (expected delisting next year though)

We then take 3 in the rookie draft.

I also think we have a end of year leadership review and sit Watson down and say it’s time you stopped carrying this team on your shoulders. He has done enough and it’s time he takes a backward step. Stanton takes over the rains.

Our side we look something like this:

FB: Baguely, Hooker, Steinberg
HB: Hibbered, Hurley, Heppell
C: Goddard, Watson, Stanton ©
HF: Jerret, Daniher, Cooney
FF: Motlop, Smack, Colyer

Rucks: Looneyburger, Hocking, Zaka

Bench: Zerrett, Prestia, Melksham, Myers

Emerg from: Gleeson, Ashby, Edwards, Browne, Giles, Ambrose, Langford, Laverde, Dalgleish, Kommer, Howlett, Fantasia, Aylett, Pick 3, Pick 22, Pick 25, Pick 37, PSD Pick.

Rookies: Long, McKenna, 3 Rookie picks.

Allot is subjective, most will hammer my assumptions, but that’s what I’d be saying to do.

Huge fan of the idea but it seems very unlikely and more akin to something you could concoct on AFL Live on the PlayStation.
There is no way we would get a second rounder for either of Kav or Dempsey we would be lucky to manage one second rounder for the both of them. And I think it is wishful thinking to get both a top 10 pick and a second rounder for Carlisle. I would hope for a top 10 pick but doubt we will even get that on recent form. I don’t think the AFL is done farking us.
I would love Motlop and hope it can be done but we won’t be the only ones chasing his signature. Same goes with Prestia.
It’s the trade we deserve but not the one we will receive.

Hams to rookie list for mine

I agree 100% with Fog, assuming the Carlisle trade is forced. We should not offer him up.

The issues of retiring and trading are this year more clear than many previous years. We have several players that are almost certainly retiring and as such we cover our draft picks pretty easily. We also have a few players that are ripe for the trade, their experienced, youthful to have plenty of value and all have very high ceilings. If I was advising Dodoro and Hirdy this is what I would be presenting.

I think Fog has it down pretty good with the retiring of Fletch, Winder, Chappy. Gwilt is only 29 this year so aside from us moving him on he may want to hang around which would put him in the delisted category.

That gives us 3 list spots.

The delistings again appear to be pretty easy for the most part. I think Gwilt should make way for Steinberg, so I would move him on. Pears body is shot so I would send him off. Hams is only ever going to be a good VFL players, he is too small. O’brien should be shopped but will end up delisted and I think on a rookie list elsewhere.

That’s another 4 making 7 slots available.

Next we should be looking at trades. TBell to be encouraged to sign a big FA deal elsewhere, so to Dempsey. Carlisle has some serious currency and should be sold to the highest bidder. I’m going with Melbourne and Carlton. Kav may want out and if he does we should ablige.

That’s another 4 out making 11 slots available.

For the outs in trading im going to assume the following:

TBell going for pretty decent coin and we get and end of first round compensation.

Dempsey goes for a medium amount and we get a end of second round compensation.

Carlisle goes for big and we get Carlton current first and second round picks in exchange for our fourth.

Kav we trade out for a second rounder to Sydney.

So now we have (approximately)

Pick 3, Pick 6, Pick 19, Pick 22, Pick 25, Pick 37.

We upgrade Steinberg and Smack. Leaving 9 spots.

Again, I like Fogs trading from the other thread so I’m going to go with that.

We FA looneyburger

We use Pick 6 on Prestia

We use Pick 19 on Motlop (let’s hope they change the FA date as part of the CBA mid term review and we get him via FA)

After trading were down to 6 spots.

We go to the draft with 3, 22, 25, 37 and were down to two spots.

We pre season draft 1 and further upgrade Aylett for a year shot on the list to prove himself (expected delisting next year though)

We then take 3 in the rookie draft.

I also think we have a end of year leadership review and sit Watson down and say it’s time you stopped carrying this team on your shoulders. He has done enough and it’s time he takes a backward step. Stanton takes over the rains.

Our side we look something like this:

FB: Baguely, Hooker, Steinberg
HB: Hibbered, Hurley, Heppell
C: Goddard, Watson, Stanton ©
HF: Jerret, Daniher, Cooney
FF: Motlop, Smack, Colyer

Rucks: Looneyburger, Hocking, Zaka

Bench: Zerrett, Prestia, Melksham, Myers

Emerg from: Gleeson, Ashby, Edwards, Browne, Giles, Ambrose, Langford, Laverde, Dalgleish, Kommer, Howlett, Fantasia, Aylett, Pick 3, Pick 22, Pick 25, Pick 37, PSD Pick.

Rookies: Long, McKenna, 3 Rookie picks.

Allot is subjective, most will hammer my assumptions, but that’s what I’d be saying to do.

Is this a serious post?
I don’t think there is any chance that we’ll get what you suggest for Bellchambers, Dempsey, Carlisle or Kavanagh.

Bellchambers won’t get a big deal anywhere. So we’d be looking at second round compensation for him. Can it still be straight after our pick or is it end of second round?

No way would we get Carlton’s first 2 picks for Carlisle.

Kavanagh, we won’t get a half-eaten vegemite sandwich

Dempsey as well we’d be lucky to get any compensation. Remember that Carlton got nothing for Waite and he probably got a bigger contract and longer term than Dempsey will get anywhere.

Of course, I hope I’m wrong and you’re right, because those outcomes would be great for us.

TBell going for pretty decent coin and we get and end of first round compensation.

  • 2nd rnd pick

Dempsey goes for a medium amount and we get a end of second round compensation.

no compensation

Carlisle goes for big and we get Carlton current first and second round picks in exchange for our fourth.

Stays

Kav we trade out for a second rounder to Sydney

Zilch

Just watching a video on the AFL site about their latest US combine. I don’t care if it’s Australian steeplechasers, Canadian rugby players, or American basketballers, we should be taking advantage of every possible way to get players on the list.

I know the chances of those guys making it are slim at best, but I think it’s borderline irresponsible for us not to have a full rookie B list at all times given our draft position for the last couple of years.

Just watching a video on the AFL site about their latest US combine. I don't care if it's Australian steeplechasers, Canadian rugby players, or American basketballers, we should be taking advantage of every possible way to get players on the list.

I know the chances of those guys making it are slim at best, but I think it’s borderline irresponsible for us not to have a full rookie B list at all times given our draft position for the last couple of years.

when you say full Rookie B list…how many can we have?