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Beats are atrocious headphones.
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A good leader is a person whom others will follow, blindly in some cases.
A leader who brings very strong beliefs to the table, will alienate a lot of followers. Which can be OK depending on who s/he is leading.
A political party, a business, a group of friends, doesnāt matter when people have the choice to follow, or leave.
In the case of AFL footballers, they donāt have the choice. They canāt leave, at least not in the short term, they are part of a team and they have to play. So if they donāt share the same strong beliefs as their leader, they become alienated. You end up have two distinct groups. Thatās not leadership.
In those sorts of cases a really good leader will work with what s/he has and use other avenues to bring the team together.
Gary Abblett Jnr is a great footballer. He is also a strong personality.
I donāt think he is very good leader at all.
And I certainly donāt want to run the risk of him alienating parts of what is becoming a very solid team, by bringing his very strong beliefs to our group of young players.
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At Essendon, we keep our Freemason rituals secret, thank you Gary.
Oh, crap! I shouldnāt have divulged our freemasonryā¦
Oh, crap! I certainly shouldnāt have said our rituals were secretā¦
Ugh. Itās too hot today.
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From memory, quite a few Essendon players used to pray before games in the 90ās. We had an in house chaplain, which Iām pretty sure was organised by that divisive catholic leader Kevin Sheedy.
Iām sure in the 50ās the whole team did it tooā¦
Itās 2017ā¦times have changed. The youth arenāt like they were 30 years ago paul. Society isnāt what it was 30 years ago.
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Thereās still a few churchies at the club. Not that it really matters. Not sure why some think it matters one way or another, let alone that it might be divisive.
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Iāve tried to reply to this a few times, but I really donāt know what youāre getting at.
Itās 2017, the kids have got their insta filters and their snapchats, soā¦ Now religious beliefs are not tolerated? I missed that totally.
Personally, I would think that intolerance towards somebody elseās own beliefs is far more divisive than a prayer circle.
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Pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster if you wish. Just bust your gut on the fieldā¦
Everybody knows that Essendonism is the one true faith, Sheedy is the Messiah, Joseph Hird currently in exile will one day return with his glorious hair of several colours, and that Wanganeen is JUDAS.
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Thats not what weāre critising Abblett for. Got nothing to do with his beliefs or intolerance. Itās about isolating and segregating. Itās about his role as a captain, taking a select group away from the main group in isolation and its affect on the rest of his team mates.
The problem here with religious people is they get so defensive in their faith the fail to see the forest for the trees and treat everything as an attack on their faith. What you fail to recognise is human nature. For a religious person, faith trumps everything. For non beleivers, the fall back is human nature and human nature for a non beleiver seeing a small group isolating themselves from the main group. Itās just the way it is, for good or bad.
For arguments sake, lets say you take Abbletts road back to the office this arvoā¦see how well that goes down with the rest of your workmates.
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Amen to that.
If McGrath is the 2nd coming can we expect our hearts to be ripped out when st kilda offer him the captaincy if he request a trade there in his 3rd year?
Iām not sure what you accusing Ablett of doing. I was responding to posts like this, which has everything to do with Ablettās faith.
Iām an atheist, so have no personal stake in this, but some people around here are very intolerant of religious beliefs. Ablettās faith is completely irrelevant to his ability to play football and his relationship with his teammates in my opinion.
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Its hard when you got a bible group and 30 coke heads.
Also just posing the question, but arenāt his religious views a detriment to his playing because he refuses treatment for most things?
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He made it part of his relationship with his teammates.
Totally missing my pointā¦so I give up. I got better things to do, like post in the F@rk Carlton thread.
Personally I canāt imagine Fyfe playing anywhere but Freo, as he is a pretty loyal bloke and a WA boy. But take that out of it, if you were a 24-25 year old champion in the absolute prime of your career and you knew your club was probably 5-6 years off their next chance at it, and thatās based on them needing 2-3 years to gut the list, rebuild and then start to become more competitive, youād look at it wouldnāt you? He will get paid big coin whoever he plays for, then itās about achieving team success vs loyalty to your current club and not abandoning ship when they are downā¦
I dunno, discussing religion in a Gary Ablett thread seems like a perfectly fun way to spend a Wednesday morningā¦
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love it!
Iām not sure what your point is to be honest. You say Ablett divides and segregates the group, but that it has nothing to do with religious intolerance. Then you go on to explain āthe problem here with religious peopleā¦ā So how does he ādivide and segregateā the group?