They stay in Gaza and hopefully elect leaders that want to progress their peoples lives and rebuild
Hopefully they do not dedicate themselves and spend the billions they will receive in an effort to destroy Israel.
If they do, recent history will repeat.
Distinction, proportionality and precaution. The three treaty rules for the protection of civilians in War.
You are missing a few points of Hamas’s responsibilities which have made achieving those rules extremely difficult to almost impossible. Israel has made an effort on all those fronts. Could they have done more? Yes with more casualties to their soldiers. Should they have sacrificed their soldiers to reduce civilian casualties? If I was an Israeli or one of there leaders, I wouldn’t.
Is Israel being held to a different standard to other countries that have been attacked and retaliated in war? Definitely.
Please name me another time that in a war all those rules, including the rules you are not mentioning that Hamas hasn’t followed, or even tried to follow, have been met satisfactorily?
Allies in WW2 against the Nazis? Do you remember Dresden and the atomic bombs dropped on Japan? Any distinction, proportionality and precaution there?
Allies in Iraq? More than 500,000 dead with many of them civilians or soldiers that were forced to fight.
Vietnam? Nope given the carpet bombing.
Hamas shouldn’t have ■■■■■■ around and they wouldn’t have found out the repercussions of doing so.
They should have done what was in the best for their people. They didn’t. And now here we are.
Do you seriously believe there will be much of a Palestinian presence in Gaza? Its bad enough that the West Bank and Gaza are seperated by part of Israel. It’s like Brisbane and Melbourne being one country, but seperated by another country in Sydney. I suspect Israel will take over the Gaza strip.
Palestinians will stay in Gaza. No other country will take them.
I don’t think that Palestinians will be forcibly moved from one location to the other.
I am certain that it will be a long time before Israel gives up boots on the ground security control of Gaza.
Gaza was a no go zone for so many years and Hamas blew it.
Every news thread slowly wanting to become new ME thread. I hope President Musk can sort it all out before that happens.
Not in my view.
Reviewing history and making odious comparisons doesn’t help 45000 dead Palestinians or their families. Facts are that Israel has been taking territory off Palestine for years with new settlements, assuming Hamas are the legitimate government in Palestine, then could you argue they are defending their land against aggressors ?
October 7 was an evil act, and perhaps Israel has some justification for retaliation but their response has been massively greater with 45000 deaths and total destruction.
I love ME conflict finger pointing threads. I think we are getting pretty close to finding out the answers and whose fault everything is.
The reason this topic has been banned in several threads is that many people have fixed opinions, and just keep arguing their own viewpoint.
On top of that, the Middle East conflicts have a long history, which keeps gets even more emotionally charged the further back you take it. There are so many wrongs on both sides over such a long period, that it becomes impossible to untangle who was at fault originally, and each side justifies current actions based on whichever wrongs against them that they choose from the past.
As for the question you posed, while striking first can be an effective military strategy, it’s hard to call that defence. And at the beginning of this particular conflict, Israel’s civilians were targeted, not their military. Can that be justified as defence? I’m sure some people will find a way to.
How about Israel PAYING ?
Australia will.
Most would want to stay though.
There’s too many sick men out there.
Hard to comprehend not just the nature but the breadth of the crime/offending.
There was some comment I think that given the breadth it’s hard to imagine that this is the only case of such assault.
Which is incredibly disturbing. No idea this sort of world existed
Fark Sydney!
But also fark Brisbane.
I think we just need to take the ME discussion to a few more threads before we can finally figure it all out.
I reckon the whole Middle East issue would be sorted out in no time if everyone just simply agreed with me about everything
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Horrific Terrorist Attack in Germany.
Car driven into a Christmas market, at least 11 killed.
