Flying "V"Ooh I like this. Scrap my "bomb from outside 50" idea, and instead we run it all the way to the square.All we need to do is win clearances, and then have 10-14 blokes protecting the ball carrier, laying shepher…
never mind
So we chip it to 80 m out, then take the Collingwood / Hawthorn shepherding the man on the mark to it’s extreme conclusion.
Too many people at Essendon have a "Messiah" complex. ( maybe also at other clubs but I dont know or give a **** )Potential Messiahs in the 2016 list ( who is your bandwagon hooked onto ?) Joey, Eades, Longy, Redman, Conor …
Actual Messiahs ( 1900-2000 ) Coleman, Lloyd.I reckon Messiahs come about once every 100 years. Which is really not enough for my liking .
No, there is no ready made Messiah most of the time. It is a chicken and egg thing. There is a coach that creates a forward line structure and method. He develops the system, then selects the players that can execute it and buy in to work within that structure.
Then someone emerges. He becomes the messiah. Chicken and Egg.
Yes, but Chris … Redman really IS the messiah.
Momentum
Make it so only Tippa or Zerrett are allowed to kick it into our forward line
I knew we would regret delisting Alwyn Davey
Incentives…$2500 for each goal, $500 for goal assists…might stop all or forwards vacating the F50…might focus JDs mind regarding technique…might encourage more long bomb goals…
Just have a shot forward of centre. Everytime.
And people want to tell us
What a marvellous team that has the luxury of playing both Vanda and Baker in the FPs!
The good news that the effectiveness of the forward line in 2016 is still at 2015 levels!!! Nothing has changed.
What a marvellous team that has the luxury of playing both Vanda and Baker in the FPs!
Yes you look back at that and realise just how good we were. Same with 1999/2000, great teams. We are no where near that now even with the 12.
This is actually one of the things that frustrates me. Reluctance to have a shot from 50 when no good alternatives present. We rarely do it.
This.
Players in range should be having a crack at the goals more often.
■■■■■ me (and probably others) no end that when you’ve seen a player kick that far before but wont go for goal.
Why do other teams always have an outrider on a chain of handballs and we don’t?
Not just in the forward line, but it’s most noticeable in other teams forward lines.
You see them gather the ground ball and it’s like seeing the immediate future.
Handball under pressure, handball under pressure, handball under pressure, handball to a bloke in a paddock, shot at goal 30 out directly in front.
my proposal
HF Zerrett Daniher Langford
F Fantasia Brown ParishYes all the smalls are mids, but they are all talented and can hit the scoreboard. and can learn forward play together.
I don’t hate this.
I don’t think anything will work against Sydney, but if the weather is as dodgy as they predict and you throw Bird into the middle…
If we went with this our only i 50s would be due to backward kicks by the opposition
my proposal
HF Zerrett Daniher Langford
F Fantasia Brown ParishYes all the smalls are mids, but they are all talented and can hit the scoreboard. and can learn forward play together.
I don’t hate this.
I don’t think anything will work against Sydney, but if the weather is as dodgy as they predict and you throw Bird into the middle…If we went with this our only i 50s would be due to backward kicks by the opposition
Let the older experienced blokes do the grunt work for inside 50’s - Goddard/Zaka/Cooney/Bird etc Zerrett and lanfrod would push up field and hoipeully be delivering ball inside 50 anyway. This forward set up gives us speed and goal smarts. Is probably a bit short, but will force players to hit targets rather than bombing it.
And people want to tell usfourthree talls can’t work.
Ball would hardly hit the ground, and when it does, Leon Baker is doing blind turns till the early morn !
Why do other teams always have an outrider on a chain of handballs and we don't? Not just in the forward line, but it's most noticeable in other teams forward lines. You see them gather the ground ball and it's like seeing the immediate future. Handball under pressure, handball under pressure, handball under pressure, handball to a bloke in a paddock, shot at goal 30 out directly in front.
They run both ways, set up like they practiced and get away effective disposals under pressure?
Whereas with us, we start moving it forward, handball it at someone’s feet. They take an extra moment to gather it, and get tackled. Get it away to someone else if they’re lucky. By this stage most of the opposition are right on us moving back. We get into some space to hit another target, most of which are there to support the congested situation created by the initial bad disposal. If that one goes ok the next guy looks up to have a shot into 50 and there’s no one there except Joe and a few blokes madly running to get there too late. This is why the trouble starts in the middle. We don’t have anyone up there to set up a good play because everyone is waiting around the ball in dispute to at least stop it being pinged back through their goals from the middle (which ends up happening anyway from our forward 50). Clean disposal and getting to the right spots is what we don’t do (for obvious reasons).
I think the problem is this.
To get the right mix up front in future JD needs to start part time rucking, he is too tall to be a sole fwd as it effects our structure.
We can’t have him and another big ruck/fwd in our fwd line as the only kpf’s. Then we end up being forced to put 4 smalls around them, and JD then gets triple teamed, especially when main ruck on bench and ruck relief in centre.
With him fwd/ruck we then play two other actual forwards around him. This also has the effect of JD getting a lesser defender, or allowing the other fwds to get a lesser defender.
Flag winners of last 3 years had 3 “tall” setup of:
Hawks - Roughead, Gunston, Hale (f/r)…
With 3 class smalls around them. Breust, Rioli, Poppy
If you select the 4 highest scoring teams in league at the moment their 3 ‘tall’ setups are as follows:
The coaching staff have recognised that we need more players up forward to help Joe. We have tried last week with:
Daniher, Brown, Grimley (f/r)
Brown actually was dangerous when Joe got out of the fwd line making space and dragging the best defender away. Grimley got isolation and jagged a few too.
The problem is Daniher and Grimley are both ineffectual at putting pressure on. And Brown is hardly cat like at ground level. That combined with our lack of small forward pressure, pace and quality means the ball rebounds out at rate of knots.
Grimley is terrible in ruck and does nothing much around the ground so Smack has to come in IMO who has far more intensity and can stick a tackle.
Next year what I hope to see is:
Hooker, 3rd tall, Daniher (f/r)
3rd tall needs to be very very capable at ground level, excellent overhead and has goal nouse.
For that 3rd tall you would just kill to be able to add Jack Riewoldt into the setup. Or Jack Darling. Or Jake Stringer, and Dogs have both he and Crameri now.
North have hit jackpot on Waite as a free agent, Adelaide too on Lynch. Cameron McCarthy we went after last year but couldn’t get off GWS and he will end up at Freo now anyway.
On our list that player already could well be Laverde, or it might also be Francis. Dodoro suggested they were going to play Francis fwd, such an explosive player, his overhead marking phenomenal and just a competitive beast who won’t get beaten one on one.
Imagine him having pushed away his opponent doubling back and leaping over a wrestling Hooker and his defender 10m out from goal clunking marks.
… But for this year now given we don’t have Hooker and probably want to protect JD from the ruck still all we are left with is to persist with is either a setup we running now of:
Daniher, Brown, Grimley (f/r)
Or trial adding in Smack, Michael, Laverde or Francis when the latter two fit.
And move Joe out to CHF where he has space and isn’t getting double and triple teamed close to goal. Also forces our mids not to bomb long to him.
JD being a chop out kick on the wings for our defenders or taking marks across half forward and hand balling off to mids streaming past or holding up things allowing us to setup a press should help a lot.
This week:
F: Fantasia Smack Brown
HF: Langford Daniher Cooney
2017:
F: Eades Hooker Francis
HF: Laverde Daniher Colyer
Laverde was looking pretty ■■■■■■ dangerous, as a pseudo tall for the quarter and a half his shoulder stayed in against Geelong. Just sayin’
McKernan at CHF, Daniher at ff, add Stokes, Goddard, Fantasia, JMerret, ZMerret, Kommer, Laverde, Langford and Grimley.
That should cover it, some can be used in rotation.
McKernan at CHF, Daniher at ff, add Stokes, Goddard, Fantasia, JMerret, ZMerret, Kommer, Laverde, Langford and Grimley. That should cover it, some can be used in rotation.
Solved then.
Would have thought we’ve already tried all that. So far so good yea?