List Status for 2021 - Updates

Current state of play
List 2021

Contracted;

McGrath, Parish, Langford, Smith, Merrett, Shiel, Francis, Zaharakis, Ridley, Hurley, Heppell, Jones, Bryan, Stringer, Hooker, Redman, Cahill, Ambrose, Zerk-Thatcher, Guelfi, Johnson, Draper, Walla, McQuillan#, Snelling #, Laverde, Ham Phillips

Cutler*, NB – Still some uncertainty re Cutler’s contract status. Included him to be safe / pessimistic.
Wright
Caldwell
Hind

Total 32

Uncontracted;
Stewart, Mosquito

Possibly Re - Rookied
Gleeson #
Clarke #

Total 36

Plus Cat B
Hird (B), McBride(B),
Indicates possible Rookie A #

36 plus 2 Cat B

6 places on list

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Snelling might be coming onto the senior list?

Is there any real point in that?

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I agree. I think the list changes this year have actually been really good - the decision to rookie Gleeson & Clarke makes a lot of sense.

Ideally, we take the three high picks, plus Brand & Eyre, then keep one spot open for the mid-season draft next year.

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It certainly fixes one of the criticism’s I had of the trade period, not enough C grade players traded out. Although I’d probably prefer 6 senior spots and a rookie spot for a player like Lockyer.

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Can someone remind me, I thought the rookie list was essentially an extension of the senior list now? ie. They don’t need to be elevated to play?

So what is the difference/advantage of shuffling between lists from a list management perspective? Salary? Tenure?

Should just abolish the rookie list excluding category B rookies.

Bit of both.
I think it’s still the case that the base Rookie salary sits outside the Salary Cap.
Any extra you pay a Rookie counts inside the cap.

Tenure only comes into play with new to an AFL list signings.
A drafted, main list player has 2 years guaranteed.
A player drafted to the Rookie list, 1 year.

Players already in the system can be signed on 1 year deals irrespective of which list they’re on.

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The main advantage for the club is that their senior list spots can be used on a DFA or in the main draft. Which might be 30+ spots earlier than a second round draft rookie pick.

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Exactly. Glad to read a logical non reactionary post on this issue.

Pls post more Nickers. :+1:

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Pick their replacements earlier in the order.

  • Each club will be permitted to move two players straight from the senior list to the rookie list, avoiding the rookie draft.
  • Players delisted by today (Wed 25/11) will be able to join another club as a delisted free agent during the first window which opens tomorrow (26/11) and runs through to Sunday (29/11).
  • Players who are not picked up as DFAs in the first window can be confirmed as rookies during the second DFA window (1/12-2/12).
  • Category B rookies are now eligible to play without being upgraded in lieu of an injured senior player.
  • Players who are contracted for 2021 but were delisted with an intention to re-rookie will still be paid their 2021 salary, either as a senior player at another club, or as a rookie.
  • As usual, $80,000 of each standard rookie’s contract falls outside the salary cap (but under the footy dept soft cap).

We’ve talked about many/most of these, but one I haven’t seen mentioned and is important for us is the one I’ve bolded. McBride and Hird can play senior games without needing a LTI spot. Which means Mozzie’s LTI spot can be used in a mid-season draft (if it occurs).

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Hmm, and I haven’t seen this posted yet either (but I’m days behind in the 2020 draft thread).

The best way to understand how the AFL’s pay cuts will impact upon individual players and their clubs is to break it down into three different categories of players. Overall, the AFL has cut player payments, including extras, by about 10 per cent.

But the deal will be different, depending on a player’s situation – namely when he signed a contract, how long that contract goes and when he signed it. To understand what it means for players at your club, here’s an explanation of the three types of player and what they will lose, with some other fine print.

PLAYER ONE
Those who were signed for 2021 before COVID-19 hit in March/April of this year. Examples are numerous; for argument’s sake Essendon’s Dylan Shiel, Richmond’s Dustin Martin and Tom Lynch (and most of their premiership side).

Martin and Shiel, like most stars, have a contract for 2021 and well beyond. Next year, they will lose 8.5 per cent from their wages. But, since they are contracted for 2022 and beyond, their real cut is only 3.5 per cent, because the amount they lose this year will be given back to them in either 2022 or 2023 (or spread over both).

If Martin is on an average of $1.2 million, he will lose about $102,000 (8.5 per cent) next year. But he will get the 5 per cent cut back in 2022 (or 2023), in dollar terms. This means he would receive $60,000 in 2022/23 when the AFL hopes to normalise further; so the total loss of money over the two years would be $40,000, or 3.5 per cent.

If a player was on $300,000, he would still get $274,500 in 2021, but would get back $15,000 in 2022 or 2023.

PLAYER 1.5
There is another sub-category of players in this situation, call them PLAYER 1.5 – those who signed before the AFL froze contracts due to COVID-19 and the shutdown, but who do not have a contract beyond 2021. They come out contract at the end of next year.

Essendon’s Zach Merrett, Carlton’s Patrick Cripps and Melbourne’s Max Gawn – all free agents in 2021 – fall into this sub-group. They will lose only 3.5 per cent of their wage next year, because they cannot claw it back in the following years.

PLAYER TWO
Those who signed contracts after the contract freeze was lifted. Collingwood’s Darcy Moore, Geelong free agent Jeremy Cameron and new Bomber Jye Caldwell fall into this category.

Their status is simply determined by the clauses in their individual contracts. For example – and we don’t know what his contract says – but Caldwell might have a clause, as many if not most players in this group do, specifying that he will take a certain cut. If the clause says it’s an 8 per cent cut, then that’s what he will lose. He cannot claw it back in 2022 – unless his contract specifies. But if it’s a 2 per cent cut in the event of reduced total player payments (which it is), then that’s all he loses.

Clubs were encouraged by the AFL to protect themselves and so it is expected that most players who signed after the freeze will have clauses that cut their pay, even if it’s only by the 3.5 per cent.

Some of these players will be looking closely at the fine print, because the total cut in player payments is nearly three times the mandatory cut of 3.5 per cent (barring first- and second-year players and those on the mininum wage).

PLAYER THREE
Those who are still out of contract.

This is the simplest situation of all. If a player has not signed a deal for 2021 – and few are in this camp – then the contract he signs does not change at all. His contract amount and conditions don’t change a millimetre. If he signs now for $350,000 plus bonuses for games played, that’s what he’ll get.

Collingwood’s Jordan De Goey is signing a new deal and, unless he and the Pies have agreed on specific reductions in the deal, he would get what the contract says.

EXCEPTIONS
There are two important exceptions to the three different castes of player: those on the minimum wage and first- and second-year players. The minimum-wage player of 2021, due a base of $110,000 (plus match payments, which don’t change), will get the same – a recognition of the need to protect the lowly paid.

The AFL is cutting first-year players’ salaries with what will be a more substantial cut, overall, of between $5000 and $10,000. The percentage is yet to be determined.

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Sorry, Tom.

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You just want Hird to stay in the Two’s so you can yell “Hiiiiird !!!” at Windy Hill again, don’t you?

Stephanie hasn’t played with them since the pre-season of 2018.

See, withdrawal symptoms.

I don’t think Tom gets to play in the VFLW.

P.S. Thank you for this thread; it’s the only Essendon footy one I regularly visit.

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Current contracted for 2021: 38

While the Bombers are yet to announce it, James Stewart has committed to a two-year extension, while Irving Mosquito is also in line to be re-contracted. Marty Gleeson and Dylan Clarke will be re-listed as rookie players. The Bombers had two Category B rookies in 2020 - Tom Hird and Ross McQuillan - who will both be retained for 2021. Irishman Cian McBride is a standard Category A rookie.

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I thought it was the other way around for the 2 Irishmen

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