Make the US Politics Thread Great Again

Lifetime_ban · June 7, 2018, 3:01am

I apologise unreservedly, I interpreted the figures I was looking incorrectly. That is on me and I admit it.

Lifetime_ban · June 7, 2018, 3:08am

So, of the approx. 213 million registered voters in the U.S. Trump managed to get roughly 29.5% of the total vote. Not exactly awe inspiring. Noting his opponent got 31% of the total vote.

Ants · June 7, 2018, 3:11am

Essendon12:

Ants:

Essendon12:

Heffsgirl:

You are the only person here who sees the world in absolute - left or right. The rest of us see shades and variances.

Nonsense. If anything, I am the rarity in being able to understand why people vote for either side.

Most of the posters on here live in a bubble where it’s simply unthinkable to them that Trump won the election and was voted in by a huge number of Americans.

They just cannot understand it and persist in these ridiculous conspiracy theories to explain away their bewilderment.

This is just factually incorrect. Even those who think Russian interference, or the timing of Comey reopening the email investigation were factors, still think those people went out to vote for Trump. The question is whether or not they were influenced by these things. It is Republican’s who question whether or not the votes were real. If anything, people leaning left think there were too few votes since they believe voter suppression legislation was effective.

And just for clarity, what I listed above are not the only reasons people think Americans voted for Trump. But in a contest where a few hundred thousand votes changing in one or two states would have made the difference, any of a number of drivers could have made the difference.

Finally, your the one who has decided these are conspiracy theories. Given the facts released by Trump and his team, the analysis by investigative reporters and the indictments already made, there is far more basis to the collusion claims than the Republican conspiracy theories that have been pushed by congress, right wing pundits and right wing voters. To conflate the two simply as conspiracy theories is a convenient way of trying to hide that fact.

Yes, because the average American who voted for Trump is so stupid they are able to be influenced by some very poor Facebook ads. Your elitist snobbery is showing HG.

Nice change of direction. I challenged your statement that posters here don’t think Americans voted for Trump, and pointed out that you only need to believe a small percentage of Americans either didn’t vote or voted Trump because of it to have him win.

You then focus on one reason given, and your statement implies that those on the left must believe it applies to all his voters. Nice, or rather poor, misdirect. Again, you’re debating in bad faith.

But a few questions because I’m curious:

What is “HG”?
Are you so stupid not to think advertising has an effect?
Do you think all the companies using facebook for advertising are stupid as well?

Heffsgirl · June 7, 2018, 3:12am

I’m HG

Heffsgirl · June 7, 2018, 3:13am

Why am I an elitest snob?

Ants · June 7, 2018, 3:14am

But it was directed to me!

Does he think we’re the same person?

SMJ · June 7, 2018, 3:18am

I understand exactly why Trump won. I called it more than 13 months out. I backed him heavily before the primaries, during the primaries, during the general. I made a real nice amount on the futures market too anticipating he would win.

Doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a fkn idiot though

BLOODSTAINED_DEVILS · June 7, 2018, 3:20am

Slitherer.

Essendon12 · June 7, 2018, 3:30am

Sorry - was meant to be replying to HeffsGirl (HG)

To be honest, my opinion is advertising does not have a whole lot of impact on a persons voting intention. To have any impact, it would have to be a single message drummed in loudly over a long period of time.

Facebook ads are worthless - hence why they are so cheap compared to television or print. Who here looks at a Facebook ad?

BLOODSTAINED_DEVILS · June 7, 2018, 3:34am

… * Slithers *, … Ad’s ?

Who on fakebook DON’T read their “News” Feeds

Benny40 · June 7, 2018, 3:50am

The main impact of the Russians venture j to Facebook was around publishing and promoting fake news stories that discredited Hillary and supported Trump. These stories were then promoted by Facebook’s algorithms and fed people stuff they already believed in. The ads were probably fairly minor, the impact of Facebook algorithms was far higher.

Where the Russians had the largest impact was the hacking of the DNC servers. The story of the DNC supporting Hillary and driving down Bernie votes stank of corruption and drove down Democrat turnout. This type of noise in the media distracted from the many issues with Trump’s character. It made the 2 candidates appear equally bad, where without the server leaks the negative press towards Hillary would have been much less.

Bacchusfox · June 7, 2018, 3:58am

Well Trip if the ads are so useless, how did Facebook make about US$40 billion last year ?

I look at them, and I guess so must a lot of others.

ALBIE_YEO · June 7, 2018, 4:25am

I find this particular thread incredibly amusing. Its like a squadron of one legged ducks swimming in circles. Some clockwise , some anti clockwise. More anti*clockwise at the moment , but the little clockwise duck is paddling furiously. What a waste of effort on all sides . None of you will change each others opinions one iota so why bother. You all are better off arguing whether Caracella should replace Whoosha. Mind you that’s just as useless unless we know that BC actually wants the job.

wimmera1 · June 7, 2018, 4:28am

It’s truly not a lot of effort to note that the President of the USA is having these ‘knives, knives, knives’ and ‘rape at an unrecorded level’ moments, really friggin’ regularly.
That’s not about left or right.
It’s about a guy who is totally divorced from reality, a guy who creates his own truth, and the people who buy into that.
Or at the very least, don’t think that’s important.

Essendon12 · June 7, 2018, 4:29am

One of the great mysteries of the world.
If I could short it for 10 years, I would.

Essendon12 · June 7, 2018, 4:30am

You will need to clarify - not sure what you are on about.

wimmera1 · June 7, 2018, 4:32am

I have no wish to explain these things to you.
It’s not like you’re going to concede even the most minor point, so why bother?
If I’ve said something that interests you, google it.

Essendon12 · June 7, 2018, 4:50am

If you are referring to his speech a month ago, it was one speech (ergo not ‘regularly’) and London is experiencing a knife crime increase.

So not sure who is divorced from reality here.

wimmera1 · June 7, 2018, 4:52am

It was less than 18 months ago, though.

Essendon12 · June 7, 2018, 4:59am