Politics

I don't think there are many issues from the US currently that are analogous to Australia. Having said that, of course the Liberals will continue to chase the feral, racist vote.

Unlike Labor or the Greens? They all chase feral racist bigoted voters, all of them.

Hahahano.

I don't think there are many issues from the US currently that are analogous to Australia. Having said that, of course the Liberals will continue to chase the feral, racist vote.

Unlike Labor or the Greens? They all chase feral racist bigoted voters, all of them.

I don’t think there are many issues from the US currently that are analogous to Australia.
Having said that, of course the Liberals will continue to chase the feral, racist vote.

DayTripper is back and winding us up.

Well played Tripper !!

Been a bit worried since I heard the "moderates" kneecapped Milne on petrol excise indexation. Di Natale is a serious worry for me, I never voted Democrat and won't start now. Where's Bob Brown when I need him. ■■■■■■■ hate politics!

Politics rather sucks atm, but then I guess it has been for most generations, just look at the whole 1975 Constitutional crises. Sheesh, glad I was too young to pay much attention.

I think politics has never been more interesting at the moment and we may be witnessing a big cultural shift worldwide.

Looking at what is happening with Trump for example and there appears to be groundswell starting to voice their displeasure at the control the chattering classes have had over them for the past 2 decades. Regular people are sick of being told how to think and are now going to politicians demanding to know what is in it for them.

This will manifest itself in Australia as well and I predict the Australian Liberty Alliance will do very, very well at the next election. Of course, the political media and commentariat will be shocked and surprised when this happens because they have been too busy naval gazing about SSM and transgender rights and all the other crap.

I think Turnbull will fall over the line at the next election (more an indictment on Shorten and Plibersek than anything else) but he will be heavily reliant on preferences from the Nats and the ALA. They will put the squeeze on Turnbull to start focusing on mainstream issues and I’m not sure Turnbull is capable of going against his roots. That could potentially open up the Liberal leadership again.

Holy cheese balls

Anyone that votes for the ALA is bankers. These racists make Bernardi and Andrews look progressive

Been a bit worried since I heard the "moderates" kneecapped Milne on petrol excise indexation. Di Natale is a serious worry for me, I never voted Democrat and won't start now. Where's Bob Brown when I need him. ■■■■■■■ hate politics!

Politics rather sucks atm, but then I guess it has been for most generations, just look at the whole 1975 Constitutional crises. Sheesh, glad I was too young to pay much attention.

I think politics has never been more interesting at the moment and we may be witnessing a big cultural shift worldwide.

Looking at what is happening with Trump for example and there appears to be groundswell starting to voice their displeasure at the control the chattering classes have had over them for the past 2 decades. Regular people are sick of being told how to think and are now going to politicians demanding to know what is in it for them.

This will manifest itself in Australia as well and I predict the Australian Liberty Alliance will do very, very well at the next election. Of course, the political media and commentariat will be shocked and surprised when this happens because they have been too busy naval gazing about SSM and transgender rights and all the other crap.

I think Turnbull will fall over the line at the next election (more an indictment on Shorten and Plibersek than anything else) but he will be heavily reliant on preferences from the Nats and the ALA. They will put the squeeze on Turnbull to start focusing on mainstream issues and I’m not sure Turnbull is capable of going against his roots. That could potentially open up the Liberal leadership again.

You guys and girls misunderstand Bacchus - Politics is important but runs a distant second to the fairer sex.

Are you suggesting he changes wives as often as the ALP changes leader :smiley:

Yep as much as the Liberals change policy

Don't blame global warming on AC, electronics and cars on the road.

There’s waaaay too many people on the planet.

Sure if we all lived like Indian villagers the globe could support us.

It’s humans that’ll end up killing us, if a giant meteorite doesn’t first.

It’ll be disease that kills us. With the earth heating up, crop soil will dry up, fresh drinking water will be scarcer and mosquito/other born diseases will flourish. Only need to look at Africa over the past decades to see a sample of what to expect.

But have you seen the new iphone?!

I used to think the scenario where a super-intelligent AI coldly destroys humanity in following the program it was designed for was crazy. I’m slowly coming around to the idea that an AI that is sufficiently smart enough to improve itself and modify its source code is a freaking scary prospect. A psychopath with god like intelligence that is virtually physically invulnerable.

I can take you back to before 1972 when it was rumored that anyone who had protested loudly about the Vietnam War had a Federal Police dossier on them.

After Gough was elected Jim Cairns and others demanded to see the files, and it was all proved correct.

For those who are too young to remember this phase of our country’s history, this is not only true, but it is very understated. (Surprisingly so for Bacchus).

I can take you back to before 1972 when it was rumored that anyone who had protested loudly about the Vietnam War had a Federal Police dossier on them.

After Gough was elected Jim Cairns and others demanded to see the files, and it was all proved correct.

You didn’t even have to protest very loudly. My old man was in one moratorium march, and 15years later was blackballed from getting a defence job on security grounds.

The left side of politics is wary of the cops for some very sound historical reasons. Plenty of people remember the Queensland cops cheerfully playing the role of Johs personal brownshirts for decades while he turned the state into a one-party kleptocracy (for which very very few were ever held accountable, even post-Fitzgerald), and the extreme enthusiasm that various police forces and security services showed for infiltrating, for example, environmental groups vs their seeming utter inability to bother organised crime in any meaningful way.

lol
Doesn't rainfall increase with global warming?
In some places, sure. The argument that the weather has always been hotter/colder/dryer/wetter than now is just embarrassing: back then we didn’t have whatever-comes-beyond-trillions of dollars investment in the currently ideal locations.

sure, but i wasnt making any argument about ‘the weather has always been hotter/colder/dryer/wetter’ . Unless that was directed at some other poster.

Doesn’t rainfall increase with global warming?

Desal will provide water so will be (and has been) adopted by govts blithely ignoring the fact that this only makes the overall problem worse. As well as creating a new menace: hyper- saline oceans.

Don't blame global warming on AC, electronics and cars on the road.

There’s waaaay too many people on the planet.

Sure if we all lived like Indian villagers the globe could support us.

It’s humans that’ll end up killing us, if a giant meteorite doesn’t first.

It’ll be disease that kills us. With the earth heating up, crop soil will dry up, fresh drinking water will be scarcer and mosquito/other born diseases will flourish. Only need to look at Africa over the past decades to see a sample of what to expect.

But have you seen the new iphone?!

A scarcity of fresh water would be just as worrying in and of itself as with any flow on effects.

Been a bit worried since I heard the “moderates” kneecapped Milne on petrol excise indexation. Di Natale is a serious worry for me, I never voted Democrat and won’t start now. Where’s Bob Brown when I need him. ■■■■■■■ hate politics!

Isn't putting up tarrifs on everything the main cause of the Great Depression? Country A did it, so countries B through Z followed suit.

Nope. The great depression had a zillion causes (leftover WWI debt, the default of Germany on war reparation payments, currencies locked to the gold standard, lack of any meaningful stockmarket regulation in the US in particular) but tariffs wasn’t really a major one in the greater scheme of things.

Not sure currencies locked to the gold standard was a bad thing. They are now fiat currencies locked to precisely nothing except the us $ which rises and falls on the actions of the fed reserve which is a private bank with rather nebulous ownership.
I think I’d rather be tied to a gold standard. At least then there was something underpinning the paper.

The problem with the gold standard is that it IS a solid tangible thing underpinning the paper. The solid tangible thing is, in this case, a big golden millstone around the neck.

If your currency is locked to the gold standard, the amount of cash money you can print is limited to the amount of gold that people have physically dug out of the ground, according to whatever your locked exchange rate is (and back in the 20s, it was a matter of national pride that you ALWAYS kept your currency strong and never devalued it). But then you can’t choose to print more paper money to devaluate your currency in hard times in order to give your exports a boost and make it easier to keep servicing your debt. When you can’t boost your economy by exporting more or spending less on debt - you’re pretty much stuck in a vicious circle of stagnation. The economy contracts, so you have to spend more of your GDP servicing debt, so you have less money for productive investment, so the economy contracts. You lose a tool with which to keep the real economy (of people making and doing stuff, getting paid for it, and using that pay to buy stuff - all of which is a hundred times ‘realer’ than any amount of yellow metal stashed in a vault somewhere) running.

I’m hugely oversimplifying of course, and I’m hardly an expert on this stuff to start with. When I get home I’ll link to a book that covers this stuff really well.

Yes but when it is not locked to the gold standard you can do anything you like with no restrictions.

Only if you’re suicidal.

If you print too much money then the currency plummets in value. Everyone’s savings are suddenly worth nothing, prices skyrocket (and wages basically never keep up) and your hungry fellow citizens, who’ve seen their life savings become worthless and are now paying a month’s salary for a sandwich, hang you from the nearest convenient street lamp.

If you contract the money supply too much, then you get stuck in the cycle of stagnation I talked about above. The economy tanks, investment grinds to a halt, and unemployment goes through the roof.

And now Trump is keen to learn about the economic impact of a high dollar and low dollar while he bangs on about currency manipulation in other countries. Look no further than the US equivalent of the Reserve Bank.
Apparently he had an itch at 3 AM and rang the same security advisor who just resigned in disgrace to understand currency. I did like Flynns response, maybe you should ring an economist Mr president.

Anyone honestly believe that Duttons rant isnt anything more than a ploy to win the redneck votes. His leader will vaguely support him whilst not really supporting his opinion but it is already out there.