Politics

You did suggest the Parties were too close to be seperate do, which is just wrong.

Why largesse ?

You show your colours with your comments. Medicare, Gonski, NDIS are all very affordable if everyone paid their farking tax. And funding private schools is a real disgrace.

We could kill everyone at 65, which would solve your issues.

Just as part of the greening discussion saw this news. Heading in the right direction:

Just saw Dutton go full racist on Sky with a they will take our jobs spiel.

Stay classy

Immigrants? The records show that both sides of politics are pro-immigration. Just that one starts up the fear campaigning and seems to fool everyone into thinking they’re going to save us from the imaginary monsters.

And monsters who take jobs most Aussies won’t touch anyway

And now Trump is keen to learn about the economic impact of a high dollar and low dollar while he bangs on about currency manipulation in other countries. Look no further than the US equivalent of the Reserve Bank.

How basic passive cooling isn't compulsory in new buildings in this country is beyond me.

Used to take the pre app kids & Apprentices on tours of this place for part of their “Sustainability” module, until they stopped doing them. Pity they shut them down.

Council House 2 Collins St Melbourne.

Environmental features

Comparing to a building with a Five Green Star rating, CH2’s emissions will be 64% lower. When compared to the existing Council House next door, it is expected to:

reduce electricity consumption by 85%
reduce gas consumption by 87%
produce only 13% of the emissions
reduce water mains supply by 72%
Features include new LCD computer monitors, which will consume 77% less energy, and new T5 light fittings which should consume 65% less energy. The building also houses 48 m2 of solar panels, which provide 60% of hot water, as well as a gas-fired cogeneration plant which provides 40% of the building’s overall electricity, with reduced carbon emissions.[2]

Of the total construction cost of $51 million, $12 million were invested in energy, water and waste innovation. The time for payback is expected to be less than ten years.

How basic passive cooling isn’t compulsory in new buildings in this country is beyond me.

How basic passive cooling isn't compulsory in new buildings in this country is beyond me.

As I am not an owner of property I am not up to date with all the stuff, what is passive cooling?

All true humble one, but no-one seems to have the balls to close Hazelwood, and it is easier to leave everything to the capitalist to run.

With all the money that Government pushed at the Wind Industry each of us could have a free wind turbine on our roof with solar panels, battery backup, double glazing and pink batts in the roof.

Www.replacehazelwood.com.au

Scroll down to the bottom of the page to see who’s running the campaign… :wink:

And frankly, what the wind industry has gotten in subsidies etc over the past few years is absolutely dwarfed by the money that Howard & co chucked at the big miners and coal burners to get CCS working (there was basically an entire DIVISION of CSIRO working on this for years as effective subcontractors for BHP, I know cos I worked there)

Yep I should have added that in. 100% correct; put all those subsidies into real things and we all would be better off.

Should have added that converting coal into user friendly stuff, is like turning lead into gold

Should have added that converting coal into user friendly stuff, is like turning lead into gold

Well, the actual outcome of trying to do that has been more like turning gold into lead, but your point is well made!

Not just airconditioners, people also have multiple devices, from multiple TV's to laptops, tablets, PC's, mobiles etc, always all charging.

Our own household has two PC’s, one with 2 monitors (son) who is home a lot (uni student), 2 TV’s (both of which are used due to kids), a laptop used for work (wife) attached to a monitor, tablets and 4 mobiles, all of which require constant charging. Then you have your washing machine, drier, fridge and freezer, a fishtank, aircon and heater.

At all adds up.

Yes, but all the things you mention have actually really improved their effeciency over the past two decades. Even though there is more stuff, it is on average, not using anymore watts, than a CRT TV, VCR, fridge washer, stereo, etc would use on a daily basis in the 80’s. For example, for what would run a single cathode TV, would run up to 4 very large LED flat screens, and you could run 3 fridges today for the watts one large one would use back then.

By far & away, the biggest cause for the increase is the RC Air Cons.

Not just airconditioners, people also have multiple devices, from multiple TV's to laptops, tablets, PC's, mobiles etc, always all charging.

Our own household has two PC’s, one with 2 monitors (son) who is home a lot (uni student), 2 TV’s (both of which are used due to kids), a laptop used for work (wife) attached to a monitor, tablets and 4 mobiles, all of which require constant charging. Then you have your washing machine, drier, fridge and freezer, a fishtank, aircon and heater.

At all adds up.

Yes, but all the things you mention have actually really improved their effeciency over the past two decades. Even though there is more stuff, it is on average, not using anymore watts, than a CRT TV, VCR, fridge washer, stereo, etc would use on a daily basis in the 80’s. For example, for hat would run a single cathode TV, would run up to 4 very large LED flat screens, and you could run 3 fridges today for the watts one large one would use back then.

By far & away, the biggest cause for the increase is the RC Air Cons.

Yeah I agree about aircons, it is the lions share (they have improved as well, just not enough). However people have multiples of all the other things now, something they did not have 20 years ago which is also creating some of the problem.

Not to mention the loss of electricity use for dwindling manufacturing, we don’t smelt at portland anymore, for instance, and highrises have on average reduced usage by 35%, some up to 50% with more efficient lighting etc, (as we have at home with flouro bulbs), and a new high rise today will use about 25% - 40% per squ meter of it’s 1980’s equivalent.

All true humble one, but no-one seems to have the balls to close Hazelwood, and it is easier to leave everything to the capitalist to run.

With all the money that Government pushed at the Wind Industry each of us could have a free wind turbine on our roof with solar panels, battery backup, double glazing and pink batts in the roof.

Www.replacehazelwood.com.au

Scroll down to the bottom of the page to see who’s running the campaign… :wink:

And frankly, what the wind industry has gotten in subsidies etc over the past few years is absolutely dwarfed by the money that Howard & co chucked at the big miners and coal burners to get CCS working (there was basically an entire DIVISION of CSIRO working on this for years as effective subcontractors for BHP, I know cos I worked there)

Not just airconditioners, people also have multiple devices, from multiple TV’s to laptops, tablets, PC’s, mobiles etc, always all charging.

Our own household has two PC’s, one with 2 monitors (son) who is home a lot (uni student), 2 TV’s (both of which are used due to kids), a laptop used for work (wife) attached to a monitor, tablets and 4 mobiles, all of which require constant charging. Then you have your washing machine, drier, fridge and freezer, a fishtank, aircon and heater.

At all adds up.

All true humble one, but no-one seems to have the balls to close Hazelwood, and it is easier to leave everything to the capitalist to run.

With all the money that Government pushed at the Wind Industry each of us could have a free wind turbine on our roof with solar panels, battery backup, double glazing and pink batts in the roof.

Power use has gone up not just by population growth but astronomically per capita as well, … over 100% in the past twenty years, the chief reason being that every suburban McMansion has not just one, but several Air Conditioners in it.

To me, there is a very simple thing they could legislate.

This has been a bug bear of mine for years now, simply because of the fact that the upgrade of poles & wires they bang on about, which has been the almost sole reason behind the skyrocketing Electricity prices, is only necessary, for peak load times,… around 2% of the time, and those peak load times are on hot days, when everyone turns the AC on at full tilt.

The simple thing??

Considering that when that peak use occurs when the sun is shining it’s hardest, they should legislate, that people installing the AC units must match whatever Kilowattage worth that they install, with an equivalent amount of KW’s in solar panels.

If they had done this, even fully subsidised, or paid off through power bills, they would reduce peak load & greenhouse gas emissions, and eliminated the need for massive upgrades to the network, which we all pay through the nose for, so for just a few days a year, people don’t sweat a bit.

It’s all so ■■■■■■ stupid.

Various education, advertising etc campaigns trying to coax people into using less energy have been around my entire adult life. Remember the black balloons? If it was going to work, it would have worked by now.

It’s too late for that and the magnitude of the change needed is too great. Major structural change is needed to gut the use of coal as an energy source, put a hard stop on land clearing, and clamp down on vehicle emissions - and none of that can be done without coordinated, coercive govt action that directly impacts hip pockets. There might have been time for a more nuanced and gradual approach 15 years back, but from an AGW point of view we cannot get back the time that Howard and George W ■■■■■■ up against the wall. The longer the illness is left untreated the harsher the medicine has to be.

You did suggest the Parties were too close to be seperate do, which is just wrong.

Why largesse ?

You show your colours with your comments. Medicare, Gonski, NDIS are all very affordable if everyone paid their farking tax. And funding private schools is a real disgrace.

We could kill everyone at 65, which would solve your issues.


Oi…that’s only 15 months away for me…and I have always paid my taxes…sometimes significant amounts.

Seems to me Benfti that most of us accept the effects of climate change and its dire consequences. However telling me that global temperatures are rising by a degree or two has no meaning, as the temperature goes up and down every day, so we find it hard to relate.

A program of support for energy savings makes more sense. Free pink batts was good, so would solar panels and batteries, and more other renewal sources. Just getting people to not use so much air conditioning and turn off lights. And how about playing footy in the farking daylight, out in the open.

All of us need to take responsibility and Government needs to act directly, not leaving it to capitalist private industry to make great profit out of these necessary actions. OK to blame us for screwing the planet, but we are driven by those with the profit motive to use more and more energy every day.