I think Turnbull’s inaction on many of the issues which caused Abbott’s downfall just shows who really calls the shots in the Liberal party - the faceless hard right/big business. Malcolm is but a puppet at their beck and call. Each knows that it needs the other to win the upcoming election. But after that…watch your back, Malcolm. My bet is they knife him and install another hard right Prime Minister. PM Abetz*. Just let that sink in for a moment.
Turnbull was so desperate to become PM that he agreed to not to dismantle A Abbott's policy ramshackle in order to win the support of his people. The reason A Abbott is no longer in charge is because his direction stinks. Why on earth M Turnbull didn't just sit back until the party offered him unconditional support in exchange for him taking over and saving the coalition at the next election suggests his judgment hasn't improved since he decided to back gut feel over prudence in the Godwin Gretch stuff-up. A terrific smile backed up with a golden tan will only buy you around six months without scrutiny.
The Gretch thing was a set up by his enemies within his own party, … but you’re right, still exercising poor judgement.
Also. too much Waffle, makes a bad Polly …
speaking of waffle anyone see Morrison at the press club?
Announces that no policy is to be announced and you will have to wait to budget.
I don’t care for policy, I care for leadership. Again the people are let down by poor leadership around tax reform. They have the solutions, but are just to cowardly to act.
Oh and Turnbull could burn down Capital Hill and Shorten will still be miles away from the job.
speaking of waffle anyone see Morrison at the press club?Announces that no policy is to be announced and you will have to wait to budget.
I don’t care for policy, I care for leadership. Again the people are let down by poor leadership around tax reform. They have the solutions, but are just to cowardly to act.
Lol @ Morriuson.
That turd is the Minister for Viciousness, Slogans, and Attacking the Defenceless.
No matter what his official portfolio/title is.
One of there lowest creatures we have ever voted into power.
I think Turnbull's inaction on many of the issues which caused Abbott's downfall just shows who really calls the shots in the Liberal party - the faceless hard right/big business. Malcolm is but a puppet at their beck and call. Each knows that it needs the other to win the upcoming election. But after that.....watch your back, Malcolm. My bet is they knife him and install another hard right Prime Minister. PM Abetz*. Just let that sink in for a moment.
- May or may not be joking.
It’s interesting. The cabinet looks a lot different and perhaps that’s why we seem to have zero policy going on. Is a change in direction currently wrestling with the masters who put the whole shebang into office in the first place? If they rock up with the same bullsh!t they did under Abbott and Hockey no one is going to take them seriously. Doesn’t matter what face is delivering the message. They’ll have to change. Just a matter of how much they decide they need to.
The problem Turnbull is encountering is entirely of his own making, and was also entirely foreseeable.
He was elected because he seems to be a decent person and he’s not Tony Abbott, and at the time of his election he said all the right things. The most important thing he said was that his government would treat the electorate like adults, i.e., make sensible policy choices and explain them fully so that the electorate could see that they were sensible. He also did a couple of easy things like scrapping the knights and dames farce. Generally he was welcomed, even on this forum, though very cautiously. He seemed like a breath of fresh air.
But continuing his popularity was always going to depend on whether he actually delivered on his promise to make sensible decisions and defend them convincingly. And he has so far completely failed to do so. We have had a great big announcement on “innovation”, a concept so waffly that it floated away immediately into the ether; but apart from that we’ve had nothing.
The biggest and most intractable problem is the budget and the continually rising government expenditure, most of which is expenditure on recurrent expenses such as education and welfare and health. He’s only been in office for less than six months, so it may not be surprising that there’s been no announcement of the solutions to these problems. But what he promised was a debate, and for there to be a debate there needs to be a clear articulation of the problem, its possible causes and its possible solutions, with an outline of the pros and cons that people can think about. We haven’t had it. We’ve had hardly anything originating from the government about the economy and the budget; the little that has been said has almost entirely been in response to proposals from Labor or elsewhere.
Partly I’m surprised and partly I’m not. The “not” part comes from the fact that he had not been very good as opposition leader when he had that job, and the fact that I’ve watched him in interviews over the years and not been very impressed.
What does surprise me is that he has these deficiencies. He’s been a lawyer and I’ve seen him in court, and the one thing that’s essential to be a good lawyer is to stick to the point, put forward your case and explain and defend it clearly. He’s also been extremely successful in business, and for that you need above all to make decisions and make them quickly. So I can’t understand why, as a politician, he’s such a ditherer.
He’s still far more popular than Bill Shorten, and if he can get his act together, starting right now, I have little doubt that he’ll win the coming election and probably at least a couple more. But unfortunately he doesn’t look like getting his act together. So the next election is up for grabs.
Agree, they will need to at least appear to be doing something in policy terms. Otherwise they fall into the arrogance trap Fraser did - to quote Bill Hayden, where “a drover’s dog could win”. The Liberals seem to think Shorten in un-electable. I’m not so sure. He has the job ahead of him, but if the ALP go to the election with good progressive policy they could surprise, regardless of Shorten or not.
The problem Turnbull is encountering is entirely of his own making, and was also entirely foreseeable.He was elected because he seems to be a decent person and he’s not Tony Abbott, and at the time of his election he said all the right things. The most important thing he said was that his government would treat the electorate like adults, i.e., make sensible policy choices and explain them fully so that the electorate could see that they were sensible. He also did a couple of easy things like scrapping the knights and dames farce. Generally he was welcomed, even on this forum, though very cautiously. He seemed like a breath of fresh air.
But continuing his popularity was always going to depend on whether he actually delivered on his promise to make sensible decisions and defend them convincingly. And he has so far completely failed to do so. We have had a great big announcement on “innovation”, a concept so waffly that it floated away immediately into the ether; but apart from that we’ve had nothing. The biggest and most intractable problem is the budget and the continually rising government expenditure, most of which is expenditure on recurrent expenses such as education and welfare and health.
He’s only been in office for less than six months, so it may not be surprising that there’s been no announcement of the solutions to these problems. But what he promised was a debate, and for there to be a debate there needs to be a clear articulation of the problem, its possible causes and its possible solutions, with an outline of the pros and cons that people can think about. We haven’t had it. We’ve had hardly anything originating from the government about the economy and the budget; the little that has been said has almost entirely been in response to proposals from Labor or elsewhere.
Partly I’m surprised and partly I’m not. The “not” part comes from the fact that he had not been very good as opposition leader when he had that job, and the fact that I’ve watched him in interviews over the years and not been very impressed.
What does surprise me is that he has these deficiencies. He’s been a lawyer and I’ve seen him in court, and the one thing that’s essential to be a good lawyer is to stick to the point, put forward your case and explain and defend it clearly. He’s also been extremely successful in business, and for that you need above all to make decisions and make them quickly. So I can’t understand why, as a politician, he’s such a ditherer.
He’s still far more popular than Bill Shorten, and if he can get his act together, starting right now, I have little doubt that he’ll win the coming election and probably at least a couple more. But unfortunately he doesn’t look like getting his act together. So the next election is up for grabs.
Because he’s a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Has very centre left ideals, but trying to appease the hard right, has him stuck between a rock & a very hard place. Doesn’t know if he’s Arthur, or Martha.
Until & unless, he has complete power to be at least mostly himself, the waffling & dithering will continue.
IMHO Turnbull needs to have the stones to call, and win (which he would, as of today) with a substantially improved position an election. DD I think would give him the strongest position.
Right now the party (or significant elements thereof) seem to view him as a seat warmer - or at least he seems to shy away from actually introducing any new policy.
Oh and Turnbull could burn down Capital Hill and Shorten will still be miles away from the job.
Correct for the moment, but the Libs aren’t pushing either him or his policies at the moment. Never give a sucker an even break.
I’d give the ALP zero chance if it were called today but I think they’re a chance of putting something together by November - unless Turnbull does something.
Wouldn’t be massively surprised if party splits ruin Turnbull just as the ALP ruined Gillard.
Labor tore itself in half by trying to beat the LNP at their own policies by running to the right after the press crucified them on their social and environmental stance. The LNP may indeed do the same with an attempt to move anywhere near the center in policy.
It’s never gonna be that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Again!
When I see the thread title. Every. Single. Time.
Policy wise Labor has it all over the Coalition.
Policy wise Labor has it all over the Coalition.
Not that you’d hear much about it from the communication specialists.
Policy wise Labor has it all over the Coalition.
Policy wise they are all ■■■■. Greens are in danger of becoming the most reasonable alternative.
Two stories.
Australia has done fark-all for Fiji in the three days since a Cat 5 sat in them.
Christian Right is trying to get rid of anti-bullying staff for non-cis students because it’s the 19farking50’s.
Turnbull, figure out why Abbott got the ■■■■. Quick.
Labor, figure out that Shorten is an unelectable turd. Quick.
Anyone. Show some farking leadership.
Understand that you’re running for THE LEADER OF YOUR FARKING COUNTRY, not just your party.
Thankyou.
Two stories. Australia has done fark-all for Fiji in the three days since a Cat 5 sat in them. Christian Right is trying to get rid of anti-bullying staff for non-cis students because it's the 19farking50's.Turnbull, figure out why Abbott got the ■■■■. Quick.
Labor, figure out that Shorten is an unelectable turd. Quick.
Anyone. Show some farking leadership.
Understand that you’re running for THE LEADER OF YOUR FARKING COUNTRY, not just your party.Thankyou.
We have a Westminster system not a US Presidential system.
Shorten is the Leader of the Parliamentary Labor Party who will form a Government if they get enough seats in the House of Representatives. He is running for Leadership of The Government.
And Bill Shorten is neither unelectable or a turd. At least he is not a whinging fark like you.
Australia really should be offering assistance to our Fijian mates. Unless we’re still sh*tty with F Bainimarama. Which is not a good reason not to help.
Shorten could not lead if he was the head of a dress up horse.
Penny Wong is the best leader in that party, and she will not get the chance because there is no way the country would elect a gay Asian woman.
It’s sad.
With that being said my I’d still take billy over anyone in the other mob, but Wim is right, he is unelectable.