Apparently he is just repeating the contents of the bible? ( his interpretation )
Galatians 5:19-21 New International Version (NIV)
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Does this mean that the bible should be banned?
( not that I care about the Judaea/ Christian Bible one way or another, or the Koran for that matter )
LOL This sounds like MAFS âsexual immorality, impurity and debaucheryâŚjealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy;â
Iâve no problem with Folau having his say on this. Iâm not even sure that itâs actually âhate speechâ, given that you could argue that âhellâ is a nebulous and nonprovable/ nonexistent reality.
Iâve also no problem with a commercial entity deciding that he isnât a suitable person to represent them/be paid by them. Given his history, he should have known what the response would be. He made his bed.
Sounds like heâs going to fight it. Could get ugly. Funny seeing Tuivasa calling him out. I know a lot of people like Folau that become a lot more devout after theyâve had their fun.
Well, to Folau, Hell isnât nebulous or non-existant at all. To him, its very real and he is publicly condemning these people (thieves, boozers etc) to a very (in his brain) real and bad eternal outcome. The fact that heâs a fundamentalist moron who believes in fairy tales is beside the point. His commentary is hateful because he believes it is real and as such it contravenes RA policies relating to hateful commentary and they are absolutely correct to fark the recidivist off.
When I worked in banking my 2IC was a devout Muslim. 2 years earlier he was taking everything and drinking/f***ing his way round Melbourne. Refound God, got married, made his wife (a doctor) cover up and went full mus.
Thatâs the good thing about these redemption religions. You can go sick on every vice and as long as you repent in time youâll be sweet. The Catholics have an even better system where you can break every rule theyâve got but confess and they wipe the slate clean. You can do this every week if you want.
Itâs not hate speech because his masters teach (and he seems to believe) that delivering the sinner to the christian god is their only chance at salvation. He probably thinks he is acting to save them. The christian story is powerful and Folau, who doesnât seem capable of independent thought, is just another over zealous devotee.
Why is Folau being called out for his tweet re homosexuals, but those of us that appear on the same list multiple times have accepted his right to repeat in public what are crucial (idiotic but crucial) moral teachings of his church?
The Bible says some mean stuff about homosexuality so tackle the source of the problem. I think the government needs to pass legislation targeting mainstream religions for peddling this krap, and leave individuals alone.
Folau signed an employment contract whereby he agreed not to broadcast certain views he has that are contray to the interests of his employer. He didnât sign a contract to not hold these views, just that he wouldnât broadcast said views to the public.
Qantas is the main Rugby Australia sponsor. to the tune of 4 mil a year. It is well known that the CEO of Qantas is gay. Having endured one twitter rant from Folau, do you think they were going to let another go without either pulling the sponsorship or imposing some form of massive penalty for it. As such his employer was bound to take action. Losing 4 million a year isnât a trivial amount.
Where would they get this money back? Alcohol? Nope he had a swipe at drunks too (and what Aussie alcohol would need the international exposure given they mostly cater to a domestic market?).
Plenty of employment contracts restrict the ability of their employees to express themselves freely (think the clothes you wear to work, the fact that you donât tell your clients what you really think of them, drop the c-bomb in meetings etc) and the Industrial Tribunal has held employers have prerogative to set these standards as part of the employment contract (within reason).
I expect if this matter is contested, it will result in a small payment to end the saga. But I donât expect Folau to win big, because 1) we donât have freedom of expression codified anywhere and 2) The potential impact that his post would have had on his employer if they did not take action.
Finally I believe Garry Ablet Jr and other AFL players liked the post. It will be interesting to see what if any action is taken against them.
I donât support employment contracts that are contrary to the universal declaration of human rights. Nothing will be done against other christians who liked the post, as we are a bunch of hypocrites. If a sponsor withdraws their support because one member of the rugby community openly expresses a mainstream religious teaching, exercising a value (freedom of speech) that differentiates our society from brutal authoritarian regimes that crush the opposition or alternate voice, then we can live without their manipulative support.
We have allowed these institutions to occupy a privileged and powerful position in our society, where they are influential throughout government, business and social organisations. Then we go postal on a dumb footballer who doesnât realise they peddle in lies and deceit.
As we know from recent AFL contracts common law rights can be waived by specific waivers in contracts.
It may not be so clear if a contract contains clauses that are against legislated law, and I believe contracts that contain clauses that are against legislated laws are not enforceable.
In any case, allegedly the recent contract he signed did not include the clauses which enable RA to sack him for âhate speechâ however that is defined. When they tried to insert the clauses, he allegedly refused to sign them.
However, there may be other clauses âgame into disreputeâ which they can get him on.
There will be a code of conduct hearing and its going to get very legal.
So, its not going to be so easy for Qantas to get their way and have him sacked. Of course they could put in some extra money so that RA can afford to hire decent lawyers.