This is definitely a point that should carry more weight than it is doing.
Because if you take away the option of the club deliberately biasing against indigenous players because of their race, than what you’re left with is the above. And then the serious discussion needs to be had, football-wide, on whether we should be making exceptions to make up for all the crap indigenous kids have to go through, and attempt to balance things a little.
This is not a binary type of situation, and making it appear so is harmful to the debate. There are many complexities that are being ignored.
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I’m with AN10 in regard to being suspicious about the number of recruiters we have, plus how bad we are with indigenous recruitment both now and over the last 10 years.
It’s been well documented there was a drop off around the whole industry, particular around the time Rendell made his comments and was unfairly made a scapegoat.
It would be very interesting to see actual stats on how many indigenous players each club has on their lists right now, plus how many have been recruited over the last 10 years (including trades).
Personally I have no idea how to get such stats, but I find it hard to believe we’d be bottom of the pile.
Having said that, I would definitely like to see us recruiting more of these guys…, simply because they’re often so good to watch, and as late picks, they seem to have a regular knack of working out.
I admit i’ve been skimming this thread a bit, but from what i’ve seen I don’t think the post from @Ants got enough attention. The one where he mentioned that we’ve recruited very few small forwards (of any background) in recent years. This could have inadvertently been a contributing factor
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I suspect the clubs experience since 2012 has made it very very risk averse from the top down.
Maybe thats why we keep hearing the “very good family” “future leader” etc and it certainly looks like the club has a set of selection criteria in the off field area thats leading to lower risk selections.
I certainly fear that one day I will read the paper and find one of our players embroiled in some indiscretion, worse still some serious offence, and we all know how the media will punish the club if it steps out of line in any way. We are a target.
I’ve said it before, but linking the dropoff in our indigenous recruitment to the saga in any way (tight finances, or institutional caution, or whatever) is a furphy. We drafted Long and Atkinson between I think 2007 and 2012, and that’s all. This was happening long before the saga.
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Absolutely, more recently profiling has been a factor, both in character and positional requirements. As for the list I talked about last night, I’m just waited for it to be given back to me, probably tomorrow. It was a uni assignment. I’ve got how NRL fairs in this regard vs afl too I’d anyone is interested.
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The NRL comparison would be interesting.
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Cop that Diggers. None!
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Plus my mail has it that while the results are the same there are two different issues, and pre saga was more advertant, grey in the middle and post was more what a few people are touching on here.
While I’m happy with the NGA being earmarked as a fix, I think it’s like being told your not getting enough fibire in your diet and planting wheat to solve the problem. Breads available everywhere.
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Sorry I’m struggling with this point. As I observed last night I can only easily identify one indigenous player on Sydney’s list yet you’re saying this is because their zone has a small percentage of indigenous people. How does their zone stop them from drafting players of indigenous heritage from outside their zone?
I only make the point because the comment was we have the least number of indigenous players yet here is another club in a similar predicament.
I like your point but I think you may have overlooked the bloke who wears 23 in the Swans’ jumper.
The Swans have that one bloke… pretty handy forward. Model girlfriend. Used to play for Hawks.
Can’t think of his name. Hopefully @Diggers can remember
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I have to confess, I’m confused about Collingwood.
If you’re using the same criteria, drafted rather than recruited…surely they don’t stack up very well?
They have fifteen indigenous players in the clubs history.
#somethingdoesntaddup
Seems the data being produced in here just isn’t adding up to the assumptions.
Because they make at least one zone selection every year and that costs them picks, Sydney made less than half the picks we have in the last 10 years and 1/3 of them have been zone selections so while their number of indigenous players drafted is slightly better than us over the last 10 years (Jetta, Sumner, TDL, etc) due to the amount of picks they make their strike rate is a lot better, if you take out zone selections they actually bat above average. But I didn’t do that. Worst performing clubs are us and StKilda, and even St Kilda have been more adventurous than us with picks like Ross Tuntagalum. Port, Freo and Hawthorn lead the way
I thought trent Dennis lane was Burmese or something.
Still has heritage, as I said with Noonan, I had to be very thorough. As I’m hoping to publish the paper
Dude, no.
That is not, or should not, be your point.
Are you referring to Liam Sumner?
Also, Port and Freo always have and I suspect always will lead the way.
Port also just recruited Thomas.
Drafted since 2007
Collingwood
Brad ■■■■
Shannon Cox
Johnny Benell
Anthony Corry
Kirk Ugle
Andrew Krakouer
Peter Yagmoor
Mitch McCarthy
Kayle Kirby
89 selections between 2007 draft and 2017
10.11% indigenous drafting ratio. There is a reason for this, after the debarcle that was Alan McCalisters reign in the 90’s a coaterie group was formed called the Industrial Magpies and part of their purpose was to nurture and support indigenous talent some of those names you see on that list are from their program, as well as Liam Jurrah.