Really massaging the numbers here. Players who weren’t drafted don’t count (eg. Mark Williams), players who were re-drafted count once (but the total number of draft picks stay the same), players like Matthew Stokes don’t count, a player with indigenous heritage like Lavender doesn’t count, Sydney don’t count because of their style footy and zoning.
Sounds a bit like a McLachlan special. Take out the bits we don’t need.
I haven’t looked anywhere Ben. I’m very curious about your stats. I’d like us to be drafting more of these guys, but I don’t believe in any conspiracy theory, until someone provides some proof.
But i’m Also curious which one of those 5 guys wasn’t counted based on the rules you were given,
And you’re publishing it as you complete the research… at about an hour per club… on here.
Riiiiight
listen,
Im giving you data from a paper I wrote (WHICH I WAS ASKED TO by a few people on here who were interested) which was centered around indigenous opportunity in professional sport year on year.
it was about entry into the AFL system.
Krakouer was counted because he was delisted, didn’t play AFL footy for 3 years, and re-entered the system. I sought clarification on it.
The title of this paper was not HOW ESSENDON FOOTBALL CLUB IS ■■■■■■■ RACIST It was about the growth of new opportunity in professional sport vs population growth for Indigenous people. The only reason why it even went into club on club over the period was because we were also looking to see if the growth coincided with population movement.
But ■■■■ you guys, seriously. Im not wasting my time sharing this information with people who just want to sit back and feel better by 1% about their football club so they can sleep at night.
are you serious?
you think I just sat down and opened up google and went at it, like an hour ago?
if that is the effort people think i go to with stuff like this and the hype thread, then ■■■■ it, im not doing it anymore.
and to be fair I was looking at data that when we originally wrote the paper we counted the 07 draft and not the 17 because it had not happened and then trying to add this years as well, so give me a ■■■■■■■ break, I didn’t want to assume heritage of any player until I had confirmed it.
Tim Sumner is playing at my local club this year. Was tossing up with the idea of playing at Sturt with Byron but think money won out in the end
I wouldn’t f*cken worry about it.
People are living in fairy land, and just want to pretend there isn’t an issue and get defensive. Don’t waste your time. These clowns aren’t listening.
Why not just provide a link to the paper? I’d like to read it. Where was it published?
because I cant post a link for a paper that is still in review and has not been cleared for publication yet.
I’ve said it earlier we literally handed the first draft in like 2 weeks ago, it’s not published yet, I’m hoping it will be, because overall as far as AFL and NRL go it’s very positive professional sport has the best growth for indigenous employment by a significant margin
Then the assumptions you were given are at best misguided.
He was traded for - along with another guy, and two picks. They were signed and on the list prior to the draft happening, you can look up media reports.
That pick ended up at Brisbane or something. I dont know how it’s debatable. Andrew Krakouer was not drafted, neither was Ceglar.
At the very least did 25 for Krakouer+Ceglar+55+70 it count as 1/4 picks, or 1/1?
I’m sure there would be many interested in reading it Benfti including myself. Personally I think it’s very dissapointing the we have fallen so far behind the competition in relation to this. Especially considering our history, dream time etc… I’ve always thought their should be an indigenous rookie list of say 5 players per club, funded and supported by the AFL to better articulate the pathway. Regardless, it’s a worthy question to put to the club.
There… fixed it for you.
Imagine Walla thinking about changing his life back in the Tiwi’s about 9 years ago, dreaming of coming to Essendon.
We had 7 Aboriginal players on our list at the time and he would have grown up with Michael Long and Dean Rioli in the side, having become legends by making the transition from the Tiwi Islands. Wanting to make it as an Essendon player would have made perfect sense. Around this time I was working in Aboriginal health. Nearly all the Aboriginal people I know barrack for Essendon.
Sheedy and Long made Essendon the destination club for aspiring Aboriginal footballers.
What do Aboriginal people see now? If Walla didn’t have that dream, there would be no Aboriginal players in the senior side.
We have the least Aboriginal players in our side compared to any other side in the league.
To be considered by Essendon as a draft pick you seem to need a stable supportive family behind you.
For a young Aboriginal player who is looking for a dream of a life outside their community, we are close to becoming irrelevant.
I don’t know what to think.
You really do seem to be all over the fucken shop.
If it’s in the context of employment, then whether they’re rookied or main listed or category B listed shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever.
That’s an arbitrary line, and serves no purpose that i can see: you’re still putting ‘footballer’ on your tax return. I can accept this was probably not (wholly, or at all) your choice, but it still isn’t right.
If it was deeper data that broke it down to first round pick v 4th rounder v rookie v cat B, sure. They’re not exactly the same thing - but they are substantially the same thing.
Fits their demographic.
Isn’t arguing over methodology and picking on minor inconsistencies just a way of avoiding the clear picture the data is painting. Perhaps there is a player or two that could or could not have been counted, but I think the conclusion is still valid - essendon is unrepresented in indigenous players on its list and in the way it has conducted its drafting over a long period of time.
Disappointing. As with other aspects of the club (including winning games) we are no longer leaders.
Thanks for reminding me why coming on Blitz during summer is a waste of time.
It doesn’t look bad at all because it’s irrelevant.
He counted as an incoming player who was not on an afl list the year before, how is it hard to understand? Given the data I was collecting. Listed players moving clubs or changing list positions was not a new Employment opportunity.
The only reason we even used picks as a measure was to help isolate potential opportunities. We counted a pick because it in theory would have been used on a player if that trade didn’t occur. North Melbourne used a pick or more for preselection if Jed Anderson under the same rule. We had to count them, and they had to have a measure of cost of some sort to help gauge whether or not it was an employment opportunity that could have gone to another level player or not.
Again, the topic of the paper was not who has the most unitentional biased lists, it was about opportunity for employment in professional football codes essentially.