Something seriously wrong with the club (Part 3, August 2022)

[Saucy]

That sounds dark.

[Donslaught9]

@sweatyman

Oh I think he copped a bit. There are plenty though who think he has ‘done his time’ and would welcome his talents back at the club. They’re not cultists.

There’s no coming back from one of the worst situations to hit a sporting club in this country. Not in that role.

He’ll always be a champion and respected for his playing abilities for the rest of his life. There are 17 other clubs in the competition to have a crack at, it shouldn’t be this one though after what happened last time. Sorry to all the romantics out there. He is a talented individual and has his finger in a lot of other pies (business etc) so he’ll never be down and out again.

[bigallan]

‘ … he has escaped any sort of criticism from an unhealthily large sector of the supporter base … is cult-like’

If that’s the case, the club needs to cancel the membership of the cultists and we can all move on.

[Donslaught9]

Great idea. I’d rather have 40,000 members living in the real world than 80,000 delusional ones. A fair few of them (let’s face it, probably all) would be in the toxic coteries etc so it would be a win/win.

[Bully]

@Donslaught9

How about the question whether a large group of supporters/members (including me) will forgive Hird for being coach during the most shameful off-field saga in our history that we are still paying for to this day? (Shut up deniers who deny anything happened or if so he shouldn’t be held at least semi-accountable)

I’m not sure if this is media building this issue up more than reality but the ego of this guy, who was already given the coaching gig on a platter at the end of 2010 and made a mess of it, to expect to rock up uncontested for a second go is absolutely laughable.

Do yourself a favour James and tell your media laggers to put a sock in it for a few weeks (at the very least) and let the club move on. Last time I checked it’s not “Hird FC”.

Great post, won’t go down well in here though.

[bigallan]

I thought Hird was naive to trust David Evans.
I would not have gone near him with a barge pole.
Like father like son, the same moral compass.

[Donslaught9]

Agreed. A disaster.

The club would have learnt a painful and embarrassing lesson after the Thorburn CEO appointment this week. I’m sure the process currently in place to find the replacement will be extremely thorough. Then we can all move on, FFS.

The excitement of Brad Scott’s appointment lasted all of about 30 minutes. Not fair to a club and group of supporters who really have had nothing to be positive about for such a long time.

[mrjez]

It’s a strange line to lead with. “Chance” is the key word - how can he be lied to by being told he was a chance, when chance means that there’s the possibility he may not get the job, which he didn’t.

[bigallan]

Hird clearly had no power to have a key member of staff sacked.
Request of Hird and Bomba rejected out of hand by the CEO.

[Scorpio]

And that was th beginning of the end……
But it’s all Hirds fault……

[Darli]

@Scorpio

There is a reason very good process delivers good results.

There really is. You and I bang on about it a lot but it’s worth expanding on.

Good process isn’t a mystical, magical thing that makes everything perfect. Its more a commitment to improvement and best practice. You develop a process, tweak it, refine it, often you chuck it and start from a scratch. What it gives you is a record of what you’ve done to address abc… what’s worked, what hasn’t. It’s how organisations get better, grow. It’s how they ensure the same mistakes aren’t repeated and provides a trail for new staff as to how x decision was reached.

Processes are not foolproof. They are only as strong as the governance that oversees them. Which is why, when our club talks about process, and our fans say we are trusting in the process, I die a little inside.

[bigallan]

Fair bit of excitement continuing to build in the Brad Scott thread, following his appointment. Could include some cultists
Shame the club lost its lustre with subsequent decisions which had nothing to do with the cultists.

[Scorpio]

Exactly. Not much good having a process if you don’t follow it.
I always told my staff if there is a problem with the process, don’t ignore it, change it. (Which was quite the process in itself as buy in and acceptance was required from everyone it impacted.)
But that’s the way you refine and improve process.
It’s what continuous improvement is all about.

[Sameolds2010]

@Darli

@Scorpio

There is a reason very good process delivers good results.

There really is. You and I bang on about it a lot but it’s worth expanding on.

Good process isn’t a mystical, magical thing that makes everything perfect. Its more a commitment to improvement and best practice. You develop a process, tweak it, refine it, often you chuck it and start from a scratch. What it gives you is a record of what you’ve done to address abc… what’s worked, what hasn’t. It’s how organisations get better, grow. It’s how they ensure the same mistakes aren’t repeated and provides a trail for new staff as to how x decision was reached.

Processes are not foolproof. They are only as strong as the governance that oversees them. Which is why, when our club talks about process, and our fans say we are trusting in the process, I die a little inside.

Any process would be nice.

[Bully]

Fake process?

[darkknightpheonix]

@Darli

@Scorpio

There is a reason very good process delivers good results.

There really is. You and I bang on about it a lot but it’s worth expanding on.

Good process isn’t a mystical, magical thing that makes everything perfect. Its more a commitment to improvement and best practice. You develop a process, tweak it, refine it, often you chuck it and start from a scratch. What it gives you is a record of what you’ve done to address abc… what’s worked, what hasn’t. It’s how organisations get better, grow. It’s how they ensure the same mistakes aren’t repeated and provides a trail for new staff as to how x decision was reached.

Processes are not foolproof. They are only as strong as the governance that oversees them. Which is why, when our club talks about process, and our fans say we are trusting in the process, I die a little inside.

or to sum it up in simpler terms (ok prolly just shorter terms), you make and implement process’s so ■■■■ like the below doesn’t continue to happen

@is_good_is_don

Jackson alone made the call on Knights over Hardwick.

Evans brought in his inexperienced mate Hird.

Little thought Worsfold would be a good stabilising influence after his farked-up decision to drag Essendon through a fight with ASADA/WADA.

X and Rutten…

Tis also why I have NFI why people continually run with “the club knows best”, no no it really doesn’t, either as a whole or individuals inside the whole.

when you lay it out bare like the above, the club and the powerful within it have absolutely NO ■■■■■■■ IDEA what they are doing. they all just keep thinking THEY alone can make the right decision to fix the club.

[Darli]

@darkknightpheonix

they all just keep thinking THEY alone can make the right decision to fix the club.

Lol nailed it

[Clone_Hirdy]

Everyone goes on about process. What was the process used to select those that selected our coach?

[Scorpio]

No idea. But you would usually get someone from the relevant area who has knowledge of the role. Then someone from an area that they need to have engagement with. Then someone who has knowledge of the HR process and experience in selections. Then any others as you see fit. The idea is to cover all the bases.
And everyone should get the same time, the same questions, be asked to do the same presentations etc.
And people should be scored after each interview so the answers and ideas are fresh in the minds of the panel.

[bigallan]

No idea, although a Blitzer, known to be a coterie member, posted that Dorothy Hisgrove could be the key player