Sorry Saga - Why do we fight?

It is important to remember that the WADA Prohibited List is an International Standard. Those of us, and there would be many, who have worked or operated under sets of ISs understand the importance of compliance ( compliance must be conferred by a recognised independent auditor). WADA have their own appointed Audit Team.

Heuberger and Cohen, Sports Medicine, November 2018 released a paper in Sports Medicine; “Review of WADA Prohibited Substances: Limited evidence of Performance-Enhancing Effects”. They found that only 5 of the 23 subclasses in the Prohibited List showed any evidence of having the ability to enhance actual sports performance.

Further to that Oliver Niggli, WADA Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel said in 2016 “The way that the Code’s wording has been put is so that we would not have to justify why a substance is on the list. We have experts who look at it, they have three criteria. It has to meet two of the three and we never disclose nor discuss the specifics of a substance because otherwise, every time you have a positive case there would be a challenge”.

Like Jobe said to his dog, If it smells, keep digging.

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Hsun has article by BJ about saga impact. Behind paywall.

Essendon players are ‘scarred for life’ because of the supplements saga

Simeon Thomas-Wilson

The infamous Essendon supplement saga “destroyed” and “scarred for life” a number of bombers former club captain Brendon Goddard says.

After self-reporting over the supplement program run by Stephen Dank in the 2012season, the Bombers were first fined $2 million by the AFL, barred from playing finals and then senior coach James Hird was suspended.

The second part of the investigation resulted in 34 past and present Essendon players being issued with show cause notices by ASADA alleging the use of Thymosin Beta-4 during the 2012 campaign - with them eventually receiving two-year bans in 2016 after a case that went to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

Goddard, who joined Essendon from St Kilda at the end of 2012, told SEN’s This is Your Sporting Life the saga and the toll from it “destroyed a number of men”.

“We know about Hirdy (James Hird) and his struggles, but there’s some guys out there that were fighting at the time and it probably had a long term effect on them mentally that we probably didn’t know about,” he said.

Hird and Goddard in 2013

“Because they were hiding it and didn’t want to talk about it.

“It had a huge impact. Don’t worry about the footy club, the footy will bounce back because of the supporters and its rich history of success, but a lot of the individuals that were involved have been scarred for life.”

Goddard was the captain of Essendon for the 2016 season that the 34 players had to sit out.

He said the investigation was too drawn out and should have been completed quicker.

“It’s staggering when you go back and think about what happened at the time and how long it dragged out,” he said.

“It is hard to identify a lot of those things when you are in the moment and what was going on because things were happening so quick and you couldn’t stop and gather your thoughts.”

It is still vigorously debated whether the Essendon players should have received such harsh penalties, or received any at all, after the Court of Arbitration for Sport concluded they were repeatedly injected with Thymosin Beta-4.

Brendon Goddard of the Bombers is chaired off after his last match

Last year the Herald Sun revealed an official log showed ASADA’s “Check Your Substances” site — which athletes and coaches are encouraged to inspect prior to using supplements — did not flag the drug as banned until the afternoon of February 4, 2013.

The status update came on the same day AFL boss Andrew Demetriou called Essendon chairman David Evans about a secret investigation into the club’s supplements program, prompting the Bombers to “self-report” to ASADA.

ASADA responded to this by saying the timing of the logging of the drug on its former checking tool known as Check Your Substance was irrelevant and Thymosin Beta-4 has “never been approved for human use”.

Goddard retired at the end of 2018 after six seasons at the Bombers.

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BJ quality human being. I would love to see him back at the club in some capacity.

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Love Goddard. He is still there fighting when everyone else in the media, including Tim Watson, have given up. I wonder if Hurley is one of the players. He hasn’t seemed a happy man ever since the suspension. I hope they are still being supported.

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Agree 100% with this @Stressed_out

It’s good to hear BJ speak out about the toll it’s taken on some because clearly they can’t do it themselves at this point in time.

I hope one day they can and that the wrongs done to them can be righted.

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Why was he eye-gouging Hurley?

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Man love.

Pity the article doesn’t detail mcdevitt lies to senate estimates re the players being able to check the website at the time.

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Must hurt with the outpouring of sympathy for our swimmers, including from the current ASADA head, who is not going to appeal to CAS about the light sentence accorded to Shayna Jack.
Sharpe might be worried about a potential backlash to any sentence ASADA might impose on Rioli.

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I have a lot of concern for the health and wellbeing of the 34 players.
Their interests continue to be forgotten as the saga rolled on.
Careers and reputations ruined.

Here, the MSM show their utter disinterest in them by parroting Goddard concerns only, but not following through with any of the players themselves.

Half-arsed effort.

-5. 7 Sport

Essendon players are ‘scarred for life’ because of the supplements saga

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Further, when our PM emphasises that the SAS will be judged according to Australian law and within an Australian judicial system, he appears to be ruling out any prospect of recourse to the relevant international judicial system ( the ICC, to which Australia is a signatory).

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It’s just advertising bait. They didn’t need to “write” anything; they just transcribed some radio comments.

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Essendon players are ‘scarred for life’ because of their mis-treatment by the Australian media , the lying dogs that they are, and by the very people you would expect fairness to come from, the AFL and Australians political leaders. Who would have thought they would throw these guys under a bus for expedience sake.

The ones involved in the “process”, in the decisions to “pass the buck”, they all allowed other agendas, self interest and political advancement to override any courage they may have had. Lying dogs is the least of what they are.

Can only hope that lawlessness prevails in the future and all the people involved in the witch hunt process are hunted down and get to bear the fruits of their labor.

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It is WADA who appeals to CAS - Of course ASADA will have some influence in this decision - I doubt there will be an appeal because the Jack suspension is in line with similar cases.

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ASADA had right of appeal to CAS in the case of the E34, but would have had to appeal in the first instance to the AFL Appeals Tribunal.That is why it paid WADA ( which had right to bypass the AFL appeal system and go direct to CAS) to escape the Australian legal system,
The idea of an Australian Tribunal, brought in after the Wood Inquiry, was promoted as obviating the need to go to CAS. But it is opt-in.

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Any updates from the Justice for the 34 movement?
Hoping they are continuing to nip at the heels of our justice system to right the wrongs.

Never forgive, never forget. The fight is very much still going on.

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Tracey Holmes reporting in the ABC Ticket program on the Shayna Jack CAS case suggests that the CAS sole arbitrator ( Sullivan, an Australian) had something to say about the effect of Ligandrol on performance enhancement - casting doubt whether it affected performance in females. There was also something about the burden of proof - should not start with any presumption that she took the substance intentionally.

But but but, she has to prove her innocence cause CAS start with a guilty verdict and its up to the athlete to prove their innocence.

I guess that rule is only for the red necks from Oz :angry:

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