Forced out? You didn't see the Grand Final?I’m with Diggers, and he’s got to be an age.
I remember mcdav getting right under his skin up at Bendigo in 2005…the day I met megz and mcdav for the first time.
“Give us a grin, McGlynn” in the fog and cold at Bendigo. He lost it, too.
4 quarters of telling him non stop how ■■■■ his haircut was.
If not already, we should start working on Heeney for 2018. Could win a flag with him.
2 and a half hours after free agency opens and the Vickery deal hasn't gone through. What are Hawthorn up to? Does it have something ($) to do with other deals they're working on?Done now. Richmond have 3 days to match it
Only a 2 year deal. That might mean he will be a 2nd round compensation pick; which would encourage Richmond to match and hopefully force a trade.
Did Richmond offer Vickery a contract ? A bit rich to match an offer if no contract has been offered - Hawks have little to trade to Richmond.
If it farks the hawks up i am happy
Richmond were only ever expecting a 2nd round compo pick for Vickery, ie pick 26 now (when you factor in the Lions priority pick), but unless they’ve offered him massive coin over this 2 years, I don’t see a 2 year deal being enough to trigger a 2nd round compo pick, I reckon based on the offer the Hawks have made, they will get a third round compo pick, so they will seriously consider matching it.
Which will leave Vickery in limbo, as you would figure the Hawks will spend as long as they can trying to get the Mitchell and JOM deals done and leaving everything available for those deals before looking at trading for Vickery.
theyll get a 2nd round for that offer
I’d say the best they could hope for is End of 2nd round like what Bris got for Leuenberger. Also what Hawks got for Suckling.
edit: I’m talking about Vickery here
Richmond were only ever expecting a 2nd round compo pick for Vickery, ie pick 26 now (when you factor in the Lions priority pick), but unless they've offered him massive coin over this 2 years, I don't see a 2 year deal being enough to trigger a 2nd round compo pick, I reckon based on the offer the Hawks have made, they will get a third round compo pick, so they will seriously consider matching it.Which will leave Vickery in limbo, as you would figure the Hawks will spend as long as they can trying to get the Mitchell and JOM deals done and leaving everything available for those deals before looking at trading for Vickery.
They’re not getting Mitchell.
theyll get a 2nd round for that offer
Well, that’s it then. Case closed.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.
If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.
How dare you question their integrity.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Was that the same compo as what Hawks got for buddy? Did Geelong get 2 picks for GAJ or one?
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Was that the same compo as what Hawks got for buddy? Did Geelong get 2 picks for GAJ or one?
Same comp as Buddy. Geelong got a first round pick after their first round pick and a mid first round pick for Ablett. However, the bands of compensation available for expansion teams poaching were different to the bands available for free agency and, if you believe the AFL, the calculations were different.
Ablett was the same compensation Melbourne got for Scully, but that was because GWS offered Scully a bigger contract than GC offered Ablett.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.
Did they also inflate Hawthorn’s offer somehow?
If Hawthorn are offering all these FA’s x years at 500 plus, how the hell can they possibly stay under the cap.
Has compensation always been based just on the offer, or on the perceived value to the original team.
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.
Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.
Did they also inflate Hawthorn’s offer somehow?If Hawthorn are offering all these FA’s x years at 500 plus, how the hell can they possibly stay under the cap.
Has compensation always been based just on the offer, or on the perceived value to the original team.
CLUBS will only receive a first-round compensation pick after losing a free agent in 2015 if the player's new contract ranks them among the top five per cent of AFL wage earners aged 25 and older.The AFL last week gave club CEOs their first indication of the factors taken into account when determining free agency compensation.
It is believed the CEOs were told the 2015 threshold for a first-round compensation selection is significantly higher this year compared to 2014, when Melbourne received pick No.3 as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.
It was revealed that the AFL adds all the base and additional services agreement (ASA) payments of players aged 25 or older, of whom there are about 270, to determine where the free agent’s new contract sits.
AFL.com.au understands that if a free agent’s new contract puts them in the top five per cent of that group at the time the free agency offer is lodged, then their former club is eligible to receive a first-round compensation pick.
I know this is the AFL we are talking about, but where is the logic in that?
for sake of argument, let’s say there are 90 players chosen in the draft.
So to get a pick in the first round - in the top 20% - your player has to be in the top 5%.
But it’s even worse than that: to get a pick of the top 20% of potential players - your player has to be in the top 5% of proven players.
Plus, there is no disadvantage to the poaching club. No wonder the smart clubs are doing this.
I know this is the AFL we are talking about, but where is the logic in that?for sake of argument, let’s say there are 90 players chosen in the draft.
So to get a pick in the first round - in the top 20% - your player has to be in the top 5%.
But it’s even worse than that: to get a pick of the top 20% of potential players - your player has to be in the top 5% of proven players.
Plus, there is no disadvantage to the poaching club. No wonder the smart clubs are doing this.
Compensation picks should really be called consolation picks, they’re not supposed to be fair value for the club losing a player. The AFL’s implementation of free agency is flawed in so many ways, compensation picks should really be a last resort for teams losing a player rather than the primary consideration.