Tom Mitchell


#201
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.


Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.

Did they also inflate Hawthorn’s offer somehow?

If Hawthorn are offering all these FA’s x years at 500 plus, how the hell can they possibly stay under the cap.

Has compensation always been based just on the offer, or on the perceived value to the original team.


#202
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.


Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.

Did they also inflate Hawthorn’s offer somehow?

If Hawthorn are offering all these FA’s x years at 500 plus, how the hell can they possibly stay under the cap.

Has compensation always been based just on the offer, or on the perceived value to the original team.

CLUBS will only receive a first-round compensation pick after losing a free agent in 2015 if the player's new contract ranks them among the top five per cent of AFL wage earners aged 25 and older.

The AFL last week gave club CEOs their first indication of the factors taken into account when determining free agency compensation.

It is believed the CEOs were told the 2015 threshold for a first-round compensation selection is significantly higher this year compared to 2014, when Melbourne received pick No.3 as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.

It was revealed that the AFL adds all the base and additional services agreement (ASA) payments of players aged 25 or older, of whom there are about 270, to determine where the free agent’s new contract sits.

AFL.com.au understands that if a free agent’s new contract puts them in the top five per cent of that group at the time the free agency offer is lodged, then their former club is eligible to receive a first-round compensation pick.


#203

I know this is the AFL we are talking about, but where is the logic in that?

for sake of argument, let’s say there are 90 players chosen in the draft.

So to get a pick in the first round - in the top 20% - your player has to be in the top 5%.

But it’s even worse than that: to get a pick of the top 20% of potential players - your player has to be in the top 5% of proven players.

Plus, there is no disadvantage to the poaching club. No wonder the smart clubs are doing this.


#204
I know this is the AFL we are talking about, but where is the logic in that?

for sake of argument, let’s say there are 90 players chosen in the draft.

So to get a pick in the first round - in the top 20% - your player has to be in the top 5%.

But it’s even worse than that: to get a pick of the top 20% of potential players - your player has to be in the top 5% of proven players.

Plus, there is no disadvantage to the poaching club. No wonder the smart clubs are doing this.

Compensation picks should really be called consolation picks, they’re not supposed to be fair value for the club losing a player. The AFL’s implementation of free agency is flawed in so many ways, compensation picks should really be a last resort for teams losing a player rather than the primary consideration.


#205
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.

Was that the same compo as what Hawks got for buddy? Did Geelong get 2 picks for GAJ or one?

Free Agency compensation is different to expansion clubs compensation.


#206

HS claims Mitchell will officially nominate Hawks tomorrow.


#207

This nomination stuff is garbage and needs to be rubbed out. Maybe I’m sour grapes because no one wants to come to us , but I guess it’s also because everyone picks a hawthorn or Collingwood and clubs get held ransom because of that.


#208

Let’s hope Sydney play hard ball and make it harder to get O’Meara so we can swoop in PSD


#209
HS claims Mitchell will officially nominate Hawks tomorrow.

No surprise. Hawks have had his commitment for a while. Was never going to re-sign with the Swans despite was recent reports said.
Hawks confident but not as clear on O’Meara and know we are waiting for him to spill out.


#210

Hard to see how Hawks will get all three big fish. Lots to play out here.


#211
Hard to see how Hawks will get all three big fish. Lots to play out here.

Oh don’t you worry. They’ll get it all done…

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#212
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.


Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.

Did they also inflate Hawthorn’s offer somehow?

The estimate was 500-550k for four years. Very Good money but not huge. Certainly less than Dale Thomas at 700k+ for four and a 5th year option.

The compo formula was ‘secret’ at that time. They also had a panel that could over-ride the formula anyway. Plenty of clubs thought the Frawley contract should equate to end of first round. But melbourne really needed a top pick after the Afl had parachuted Roos into the coaching role and the feeling was that whilst a priority pick couldnt be justified, giving maximum for frawley was quite easy given no published guidelines on the compo. And as posted in this thread, they then tightened requirements the following year…

Personally, i think the Frawley compo was concocted.


#213
Hard to see how Hawks will get all three big fish. Lots to play out here.

Well they don’t have to trade for Vickery. Hawks played it smart (unless they’re over paying a spud) But they offered around 400-450k a year on a 2 year contract to Vickery in hope of Richmond not matching it so they can atleast keep their picks to help with their omeara and Mitchell trades


#214

So Vickery as a free agent.

Pick 14 and Sicily perhaps for Mitchell.

And they can basically offer Hill trade (mayne compo pick 23?) & another player like Hartung to GC who will surely just accept it over losing JOM for nothing in PSD.

Fkn Hawks!!!


#215
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.


Apart from one AA season, he’d been mediocre at best in recent years before the trade. There was definitely a feeling that the AFL inflated his value to do Melbourne a good turn.

Did they also inflate Hawthorn’s offer somehow?

The estimate was 500-550k for four years. Very Good money but not huge. Certainly less than Dale Thomas at 700k+ for four and a 5th year option.

The compo formula was ‘secret’ at that time. They also had a panel that could over-ride the formula anyway. Plenty of clubs thought the Frawley contract should equate to end of first round. But melbourne really needed a top pick after the Afl had parachuted Roos into the coaching role and the feeling was that whilst a priority pick couldnt be justified, giving maximum for frawley was quite easy given no published guidelines on the compo. And as posted in this thread, they then tightened requirements the following year…

Personally, i think the Frawley compo was concocted.

I think the Frawley compo was concocted as well but I also think it was correct. FA compo should be very good for a bottom team and almost nothing for a top 4 side.


#216
So Vickery as a free agent.

Pick 14 and Sicily perhaps for Mitchell.

And they can basically offer Hill trade (maybe compo pick 23?) & another player like Hartung to GC who will surely just accept it over losing JOM for nothing in PSD.

Fkn Hawks!!!

I wouldn’t accept that if I was Sydney.

GC have said a top player and first rounder or a top ten pick and another first rounder for JOM.

Depending on the compo backlash Tigers might not get much and match.

I just don’t think they can get all three without offloading some serious players.

If I was Sydney I would be asking for Smith and Pick 14.

GC I would say go get a top ten pick (maybe with 14 and Hill could get one) and next years first.

Richmond (if they matched) I would be after Sicily and a second rounder.

They just appear to be short a first rounder or a good player. The only way I can see this happening is if somebody gets screwed. Be it a club overpaying for a dud from hawks. Or a player not getting there.


#217

Hawthorn is not a team I would be concerned with in the next few years, even with Jaeger, Mitchell and Vickery.
Gws, Dogs, Sydney, Adelaide and Us will all have a better list to pick from in 17.

Fark Hawthorn, they’re cooked.


#218
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.

Was that the same compo as what Hawks got for buddy? Did Geelong get 2 picks for GAJ or one?

Free Agency compensation is different to expansion clubs compensation.

True. But was the compo the same for buddy and Frawley?


#219
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.

Was that the same compo as what Hawks got for buddy? Did Geelong get 2 picks for GAJ or one?

Free Agency compensation is different to expansion clubs compensation.

True. But was the compo the same for buddy and Frawley?

Would have been the same if Melbourne and Hawthorn finished together on the ladder.


#220
The afl make this crap up as they go. They manufactured pick 3 for Frawley. If they want to help richmond, they will.
How did they "manufacture" pick #3 for Frawley? He was on a big, long term contract, relatively young and an AA player. 1st round compensation seems right, the only element that potentially made it over the top was Melbourne's ladder position.

If he’d left a contender and they’d got #15 based on ladder position nobody would have blinked twice.

Was that the same compo as what Hawks got for buddy? Did Geelong get 2 picks for GAJ or one?

Free Agency compensation is different to expansion clubs compensation.

True. But was the compo the same for buddy and Frawley?

Would have been the same if Melbourne and Hawthorn finished together on the ladder.

Which is where the system is flawed. There is no way Frawley is worth the same as Franklin either on the ground or in terms of the contract received which was my point to ants post.