Thinking of one of those fancy feather flies that hide the hooks.
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Until they have won a flag
Which flag did Kelly win?
Kelly fldodnt win a flag but it was a genius move by Geelong as it netted them DeKoning plus most of the capital to bring in Jeremy Cameron. Cats absolutely bossed that trade
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Was an amazing trade for them, but DeKoning was their own pick. They took Cooper Stephens with the Eagles first, who was traded to Hawthorn after 2 years and subsequently delisted.
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Parish is a hard one. We really need to get his body right so he can put in a good body of work.
Because I think heās probably thinking competition is fierce for his type in our midfield group now and given where heās at at his career if he looks around we have younger players coming through.
Hes not Merret who could play out his career in the backline or forward line and do it really well when he slows.
But he does or should have a good 2-3 years at a club that needs his type. It would be a win win situation trading him in terms of list balance.
But hes not going to find a good/another destination without convincing another club he still has it.
Arguably imho he could be in the market decent against some other midfield talent from West Coast, Port etc as those clubs do what we are doing to different degrees.
Iād be actively shopping him to the swans. But what if the swans can get butters?
I know which midfielder Iād want and itās not Darce.
I think theyāre drastically different. In one youāre plugging holes with late picks. The other youāre using multiple top picks.
Most teams who are doing well can attract good players. Maybe not Reid potential, but also possibly better fits for needs.
Weāve seen that clubs have done it all kinds of ways.
That much is obvious and indisputable.
Clubs have gotten high quality players at the pointy end, via trade, via FA, Cat B, NGa etc.
You canāt simply ignore all the various methods that clubs use to bring in talent.
The cats won a flag after barely using a first round pick at the draft for a decade.
Half of the much vaunted hawks list was pick ups and discards from other clubs.
Richmondās triple premiership run relied on a lot of later pick role player types and one out and out superstar.
And youāre right weāve not had any difficulty attracting players when we look like weāre going ok either.
But as you point out, not of the Reid type potential/quality.
We donāt get to choose when those players are available, but when they are we need to move on them because if we donāt, others will.
People seem to forget that we arenāt competing with ourselves here. We actually need to surpass every other team in the comp to get where we want to get to.
In Reidās case heās not some mid to late 20 something role player like McKay, heās the potential 19 year old superstar that you build around for the next 15 years.
People also massively underestimate the locker room culture at Essendon. Nicest bunch of blokes you will ever meet but not a single killer or junk yard dog among them and yes, itās a massive problem.
You only have to look at all the talented teams above us who still havenāt won a flag recently to understand that spending 2 first round picks and change for a potential franchise player isnāt the death sentence people keep saying.
Clubs have shown over and over there isnāt just one way to do this.
What is everyone so afraid of?!
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10000% do not understand why this hasnāt been the case since FarkJudd bought FA upon us. The players feelings an get farked given we have now seen that loyalty is for the few.
100% spot on, I donāt think we need to ārebuildā as much as certain posters on here want, we just need to recruit ābetterā.
We havenāt recruited the right types of players (e.g. good skills, competitiveness) for years. Our options to look for these players shouldnāt be limited to the draft alone, as you mentioned you look through other means such as trade or FA.
Iām not against us getting harley reid, first rounders arenāt the be all and end all. If we get our overall recruitment right then weāll definitely improve.
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What is the difference ?
Also smart cats traded mostly out of the 2020 draft, when grabbing Cameron.
Those 3 firsts in 2020 really worth fark all given it was Covid effected.
Then to top it off got close to best from the draft in max holmes anyway.
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Absolutely, we missed the boat when 2 picks shiel had a golden second half in 22 but everyone said no must hold cos āopticsā. Same with Jake, it was time to sell too but also optics and harder to move a genuine contributer.
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Stringer was playing like prime Dustin Martin that year nothing wrong with the club wanting to keep him.
Which club sells high when the have one one their best players contributing to the team
Nobody ever said the method was full proof. Have a look at how many top picks theyāve blown (SPS, Dow, Stocker, OāBrien, etc). Plus making Vossy coach!!!
No strategy will overcome terrible execution.
I disagree. Hawks, Adelaide and Carlton all followed a finish low & trade approach.
Geelong has followed the main alternative which is when youāre at the top you can use trade and free agency plus some decent drafting to stay there. Geelong got up in the early 2000s and have stayed there.
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McCarthy, Clarke?
Except we havenāt seen that and the evidence would clearly dispute your argument. Teams rebuild via finishing low and value trades, and if they can get up they can stay there with canny trading, FA and good picks.
The only other way is luck with NGA and F/S, or bring a northern club with academies.
Brisbane - rebuilt with years at the bottom
Geelong - rebuilt via picks/trading players out in early 2000s (and F/S) and stayed at the top since
Collingwood - maybe an argument, although they got Daicos x2, Moore, and Quaynor as free hits. They really shouldnāt have drifted outside the eight if not for Buckley ruining their premiership team.
Melbourne - rebuilt with years at the bottom
Richmond - rebuilt with years at the bottom and trading Deledio
WCE - rebuilt with years at the bottom and trading Judd
Bulldogs - rebuilt with years at the bottom and trading Griffen
Hawthorn - rebuilt with years at the bottom and trading out players
That is every premier since 2013. Which team has been able to move from 10 years of middle ladder finishes to a premiership in the last 25 years? Without a period consistently finishing bottom 3 that is.
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Greg Williams ?
Has happened often where a player has nominated 1 club, deal has not been done, then gone to another club the following year.
Daniher, Dunkley, Martin, Hill are recent examples with efc alone
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Heās not saying plug more holes later on in the draft with late picks, heās saying plug more holes later in subsequent drafts.
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