Maybe, I think the eagles might trade him this year. Reid looks disinterested, especially if there’s WA talent at the pointy end of the talent pool.
To me it’s pretty clear they need to recruit local kids
Geelong with Tim Kelly
Swans with Tom Mitchell
Hawks with Tom Mitchell
Lol Mitchell left Sydney cos they couldn’t fit him in their midfield. Barely got a crack at the Swans (but made the most of the chances when he did), which is why he wanted to leave.
Is that really a revelation, or is it simply just a list of successful teams who had lower ladder finishes at some point or for a period?
…Which we’ve also had when you account for the McGrath, Parish, Francis, Perkins, Reid, Cox, Hobbs, tsatas, caddy and Kako drafts.
Thats 7 drafts if we’re counting.
So we aren’t really ‘plugging holes with later picks’ are we?
In the tigers case, they hit it out of the park once at the pointy end of the draft in Martin. Cotchin you might consider a big hit as well at pick 2 but im not sure he’s the superstar his resume might otherwise suggest. The rest were all in the ranges where we’ve hung out for years. So when you add. In the pick 1, 5 and 6 that we’ve had in the last 15 years, haven’t we already done what you’ve suggested? On top of continuing to add first round picks for good measure?
The pies example is interesting because they’ve been competing more or less the whole time for 25 years. They scored big in the mid 00’s with Pendlebury as a high pick (throw Sidebottom in at pick 11) but when you really dissect their list over time it’s the later picks, trades, and more recently FA and NGA where they’ve done work.
If you’re genuinely counting the Geelong starting point as the early 2000s build (likewise with the hawks) then you are seemingly ignoring or at least downplaying what the cats did and how they did it post 2011.
As For the hawks building through the draft post their three-peat….it would seem opportunity wise it’s only been to the same degree as what we have since 2016.
In most cases it seems the really important part of any build seems to be ensuring a team has a genuine star or 2.
Which helps us get back to the main point that I don’t believe spending a couple of picks to increase the likelihood of getting that generational star will prove fatal to continuing to build the rest of the list towards success.
Having said all that we are probably posting in the wrong thread and should prob agree to disagree and get this thing back on track.
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He’s said both. Plus with Reid those picks will be later picks as we’ll finish higher.
You forget how obvious it already was then that he was getting consistently injured and not returning in good enough shape, he was primed to decline, at the time if you thought your team needed a rebuild then it would have been a bold move. Shiel should have been moved.
Here is why the Pies are eschewing the draft and trading Round 1 picks for established players - their F/S and Academy pipeline.
AFL Draft: Jai Saxena emerges as shock draft contender through NGA program
Collingwood will have the luxury of four draftable father-son and academy selections after a small forward who has never trained with the club became the latest shock draft contender to emerge.
Jai Saxena kicked five goals for the Oakleigh Chargers on the weekend, starting the season on fire after booting two goals in each of his previous two contests.
Mick McGuane’s son Tom McGuane, Ryan Lonie’s son Oscar and 199cm academy ruck-forward Zach McCathy are all linked to the Pies, with McGuane and McCarthy being potential first-round picks.
Saxena is a true bolter, linked to the Pies through their Oakleigh zone but not considered a draft prospect until his explosive start to the season.
He is an NGA prospect because one of his parents is Indian, with very few AFL players apart from former Essendon rookie Ben McNiece having Indian heritage.
The irony is that the Pies have protested nearly as loudly as St Kilda over Gold Coast academy access, despite securing Isaac Quaynor as an Academy player given his Ghanaian heritage.
The club’s captain Darcy Moore and star midfielders Nick and Josh Daicos were also father-son selections.
Chief executive Craig Kelly’s son Will was another father-son who has now been delisted by the club.
However, the Magpies have worked hard to cultivate their links, with Steve Grace working on the NGA program and former player Lynden Dunn honing the father-son crop.
Oakleigh Chargers coach Ash Close, a former Pies staffer, is thrilled with Saxena’s emergence.
“We are excited for him to come through with that background and come into footy. He has a lot of talent and he’s come a long way,” he said.
“To be completely honest, Jai’s development has been very fast over the last three months. It’s a credit to him that the penny has dropped. It’s happened very quickly. He trained with us last year and would have three touches and kick three goals but he has worked on his ability to get up the ground and support ball movement and put pressure on as well.
“He’s turned himself from a five-possession three-goal player to a five-goal 21-possession player.”
“Credit to Collingwood. They have really stepped up their involvement with these kids. I worked at Collingwood for 10 years so we almost train them up like Collingwood players now so that helps the two boys become familiar with the Collingwood style of play.”
New list changes which reduce the former 20 per cent discount for matching bids to just 10 per cent — as well as changes to the draft value index (DVI) — mean the Pies might not take all four players they have links to.
For the first time clubs will have to pay a fair price for linked players and Collingwood does not have a first-round pick after trading it out in the Dan Houston trade.
It will add another complicated element to Collingwood’s hopes of keeping Brayden Maynard.
Losing Maynard for a quality compensation pick would allow them to bring in some of the kids which would help their list transition.
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And this is why the Pies, just like Geelong will never drop off. Continual cycle.
Nothing surer that they are prepared to let Maynard go and possibly Darcy Cameron too to facilitate getting all four of these kids in and maybe even a high profile recruit as well (Petracca or Rowell for example).
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Probably closest would be the runnerups
Adelaide
Fremantle
That was no real shock TBH. I think many were in the belief that he would fall into that category
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Yeah, I already assumed he was a UFA.
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Puts him in a very advantageous position. He’s more valuable to us, because we don’t get compo if he leaves, and he’s more valuable to other clubs, because they know we can’t match an offer and force a trade.
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You get compensation for a UFA afaik.
We just can’t match the offer and force him to stay.
Because he is only 26 and would get offered a big deal to move interstate it would likely trigger decent compo.
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Did you make a mistake in what you typed? As an UFA we cannot match. Did you mean to say “cannot match”.
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Yep. Typo!
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Really going out on a limb there is young Tom…
Josh Caddy won two flags after leaving Geelong.
Nathan Vardy won a flag after leaving Geelong.
Jordan Clarke is a good player.
Esava Ratugolea isn’t a bad player
Lincoln McCarthy went alright.
Pretend Sean Denham didn’t exist.
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